bho's birth certificate revisited

[Cancel 2018. 3]

No they don't.

so a court never decides the meaning of an ambigious word or phrase? never ever interprets words in the constitution....?

are you serious?

 

[DamnYankee]

I haven't wasted the time to read this thread .. but the very fact that right-wingers are still obsessing about Obama's birth certificate is the clearest demonstration yet that these people are genuinely ignorant.

ACORN, Wright, muslim, terrorist-loving, birth certificate .. on and on .. NONE of that bullshit has worked for you .. yet you continue to obsess like little children

... so amazing to watch

It was a small minority willing to see that the Emperor had no clothes on. *shrug*

 

[Taichiliberal]

It was a small minority willing to see that the Emperor had no clothes on. *shrug*

That's a fairy tale, you willfully ignorant neocon parrot. In the real world, the official copy of a birth certificate that you and I and every other American uses as part of your ID that is recognized by State & Federal gov't has been provided by Obama. Only wailing yahoos like the neocon cattle in the recent video stubbornly insist otherwise....which is why folk like you are so easily made fools of.

 

[DamnYankee]

That's a fairy tale, you willfully ignorant neocon parrot. In the real world, the official copy of a birth certificate that you and I and every other American uses as part of your ID that is recognized by State & Federal gov't has been provided by Obama. Only wailing yahoos like the neocon cattle in the recent video stubbornly insist otherwise....which is why folk like you are so easily made fools of.

It is a fable, actually, and a valuable lesson.

http://www.ivyjoy.com/fables/emperor.html

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
When you repeat DISPROVEN statements as valid, that is a lie. When you tell HALF the story and then add on your supposition and conjecture, that is a lie. Essentially, you and the other neocon assholes are just being stubborn to the point of insipidness.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...nst-obama.html

translation....i can't provide a single thing yurt said is false or wrong...so i will continue to spread meadowmuffins across the board

And that is why you're such a pathetic joke on these boards.....what you can't BS your way past you just ignore and keep parroting the neocon mantras. You don't DARE address the content of the link provided, which is yet another demonstration of your willful ignorance.

Say goodnight, gracie....shows over for you.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
That's a fairy tale, you willfully ignorant neocon parrot. In the real world, the official copy of a birth certificate that you and I and every other American uses as part of your ID that is recognized by State & Federal gov't has been provided by Obama. Only wailing yahoos like the neocon cattle in the recent video stubbornly insist otherwise....which is why folk like you are so easily made fools of.

It is a fable, actually, and a valuable lesson.

http://www.ivyjoy.com/fables/emperor.html

I stand corrected on the difference of a fable and a fairy tale.....which still doesn't change the FACT that In the real world, the official copy of a birth certificate that you and I and every other American uses as part of your ID that is recognized by State & Federal gov't has been provided by Obama for all the world to see. Only wailing yahoos like the neocon cattle in the recent video stubbornly insist otherwise....which is why willfully ignorant neocon parrots like you are so easily made fools of. Carry on.

 

[DamnYankee]

I stand corrected on the difference of a fable and a fairy tale.....which still doesn't change the FACT that In the real world, the official copy of a birth certificate that you and I and every other American uses as part of your ID that is recognized by State & Federal gov't has been provided by Obama for all the world to see. Only wailing yahoos like the neocon cattle in the recent video stubbornly insist otherwise....which is why willfully ignorant neocon parrots like you are so easily made fools of. Carry on.

Actually, a Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Certified Birth Certificate. Additionally, the COLB does not appear to meet the Certified Birth Certificate requirements to obtain a US passport:

A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

And that is why you're such a pathetic joke on these boards.....what you can't BS your way past you just ignore and keep parroting the neocon mantras. You don't DARE address the content of the link provided, which is yet another demonstration of your willful ignorance.

Say goodnight, gracie....shows over for you.

are you ever going to show even just one thing that i have said wrong? you keep repeating i'm wrong and ignorant...yet you can't even find one single thing.....

what neocon mantra have i parroted?

don't worry, i won't hold my breath waiting for you to actually prove anything you say liar

 

[Taichiliberal]

Actually, a Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a Certified Birth Certificate. Additionally, the COLB does not appear to meet the Certified Birth Certificate requirements to obtain a US passport:



http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

Newsflash, this was already addressed by other posters...but let me dumb it down for you so you won't repeat it AGAIN.

Currently, in order to receive a social security card or passport or non-driver's state ID card, your official copy of a birth certificate is required as part of your application. That's the law in New York. I used the copy of my birth certificate that was issued in 1958....different from what's been issued for the last 25 years or so. I got ALL my SocSec card, driver's license and passport with that official copy. Obama has had for a LONG time a Soc. Sec. number, a driver's ID for the states he lived in and a passport. 'Nuff said.

 

[Taichiliberal]

are you ever going to show even just one thing that i have said wrong? you keep repeating i'm wrong and ignorant...yet you can't even find one single thing.....

what neocon mantra have i parroted?

don't worry, i won't hold my breath waiting for you to actually prove anything you say liar

You should have said goodnight, genius. But you never did know when to quit: Here's what you professed



Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - bho's birth certificate revisited

And here's what proves you dead wrong:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...nst-obama.html

Compare your sources to this, if you dare. READ IT, then discuss the details. Have the maturity to discuss the content, and not your repetitious generalizations. Be specific. If you can't do this, and dodge as usual then I won't bother indulging your dodges and BS. Carry on.

 

[NOVA]

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - bho's birth certificate revisited

And here's what proves you dead wrong:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...nst-obama.html

Compare your sources to this, if you dare. READ IT, then discuss the details. Have the maturity to discuss the content, and not your repetitious generalizations. Be specific. If you can't do this, and dodge as usual then I won't bother indulging your dodges and BS. Carry on.
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Interesting (slightly)
Vanityfair link doesn't work

and

What, exactly, did Yurt say that you're proving wrong ?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yurt - There is no case law concerning what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II of the Constitution. From your own link:




And Dickfer, the Congress can no more define what the term "natural born citizen" means in Article II than it can define what "arms" means for purposes of the Second Amendment, or what "speech" means for purposes of the First Amendment. What those terms mean is left for the courts to decide, not the Congress.

the courts, nor congress, wrote the constitution. WE THE PEOPLE wrote the constitution, therefore WE THE PEOPLE define our words.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

so a court never decides the meaning of an ambigious word or phrase? never ever interprets words in the constitution....?

are you serious?

the courts should not be in the business of interpreting the words in the constitution because they are plainly written. The courts should also not be in the business of trying to interpret what congress actually intended in a piece of legislature. if the legislature is vaguely written, it should just be struck down as such. Because the courts have taken it upon themselves to determine what congress meant with poorly written legislation is a part of the reason why we have the mess we do now.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

the courts should not be in the business of interpreting the words in the constitution because they are plainly written. The courts should also not be in the business of trying to interpret what congress actually intended in a piece of legislature. if the legislature is vaguely written, it should just be struck down as such. Because the courts have taken it upon themselves to determine what congress meant with poorly written legislation is a part of the reason why we have the mess we do now.

your post is exactly why the courts should interpret words...you think it is plain...so does the next guy that has a different understanding of the word

the courts were set up for this....if we had just one king....maybe this would work because we could ask him....hey, what did you mean by this word? we don't, we have people over the course of two centuries now writing words....

are you saying the legislature should alone interpret those words? and if the legislative branch wanted to void scotus or other inferior courts from such authority....they have that power to do so. they have not.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

your post is exactly why the courts should interpret words...you think it is plain...so does the next guy that has a different understanding of the word

the courts were set up for this....if we had just one king....maybe this would work because we could ask him....hey, what did you mean by this word? we don't, we have people over the course of two centuries now writing words....

are you saying the legislature should alone interpret those words? and if the legislative branch wanted to void scotus or other inferior courts from such authority....they have that power to do so. they have not.

Before the constitution was ratified, it was explained in great detail what the government could and could not do as written in the conventional debates and explained by numerous scholars involved in the debates. It was very clear back then. those definitions and meanings should have been adhered to, but they weren't because we had 'visionaries' who deemed that we've progressed beyond the writings of men that died a hundred years ago.

The legislative has zero power to void scotus, only the lower courts.

 

[DamnYankee]

...Currently, in order to receive a social security card or passport or non-driver's state ID card, your official copy of a birth certificate is required as part of your application. That's the law in New York. I used the copy of my birth certificate that was issued in 1958....different from what's been issued for the last 25 years or so. I got ALL my SocSec card, driver's license and passport with that official copy. Obama has had for a LONG time a Soc. Sec. number, a driver's ID for the states he lived in and a passport. 'Nuff said.

So what? There are many American citizens, not naturally born, who have social security cards, passports and driver's licenses; what you did has no bearing whatsoever on what Obama did. *shrug*

 

[Taichiliberal]

So what? There are many American citizens, not naturally born, who have social security cards, passports and driver's licenses; what you did has no bearing whatsoever on what Obama did. *shrug*

Think for once in your life.....if you are not naturally born, you go through a process of 7 years before you become legit.

Well, since Obama's mom was an American, and he was born in Hawaii (birth announcement in local Hawaiian paper archived and recently discoverd for your review),and that birth has been documented and certified by the State (document available for all to see), and the Secret Service passed his credential reviews...your little tidbit here DOES NOT APPLY. My previous statements of FACTS still stand...and you and the rest of the bitterly defeated neocon yahoos can wail the SOS until doomsday. Like Michael Medved pointed out, you're making the GOP look lunatic fringe dominated. Keep it up!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - bho's birth certificate revisited

And here's what proves you dead wrong:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/pol...nst-obama.html

Compare your sources to this, if you dare. READ IT, then discuss the details. Have the maturity to discuss the content, and not your repetitious generalizations. Be specific. If you can't do this, and dodge as usual then I won't bother indulging your dodges and BS. Carry on.
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Interesting (slightly)
Vanityfair link doesn't work

and

What, exactly, did Yurt say that you're proving wrong ?

Try this, http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/07/wingnut-birthers-have-no-case-against-obama.html
After you read it, compare it to the link of what yurt stated and what he sourced to back up his statements. Then we can talk. Let me know if the link works this time.

 

[DamnYankee]

Think for once in your life.....if you are not naturally born, you go through a process of 7 years before you become legit.

Well, since Obama's mom was an American, and he was born in Hawaii (birth announcement in local Hawaiian paper archived and recently discoverd for your review),and that birth has been documented and certified by the State (document available for all to see), and the Secret Service passed his credential reviews...your little tidbit here DOES NOT APPLY. My previous statements of FACTS still stand...and you and the rest of the bitterly defeated neocon yahoos can wail the SOS until doomsday. Like Michael Medved pointed out, you're making the GOP look lunatic fringe dominated. Keep it up!

Not 7 years if you are a child and your parents lie to the authorities. This can all be cleared up by one simple phone call from our Affirmative Action President to obtain his long form certified birth certificate.

 

[christiefan915]

Congress didn't define it, the source cites U.S. Code (LAW) Title 8, Sec. 1401. This is from usconstitution.net ....doubt they are a right-wing source.

Uhm... thanks for trying though!

Nope, not a word about soil! That is why I put "US soil" in quote marks. You see, the quote marks are often used to paraphrase something. Like when you want to save time, instead of posting "in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" you can just say "US soil" ...far less typing and it means essentially the same thing. Most non-retarded people understand what the quotes mean. Apparently you are retarded.


The fact that I typed "US soil" and not "in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" doesn't exonerate Obama or answer the questions about where he was born. It does absolutely nothing to refute the charges or support your view, it is nothing more than a myopic distraction from a nitwit who doesn't have an answer. So run along now, and find something constructive to do while the non-retards have a conversation. You are in way over your head here.

I understand you like to characterize those who disagree with you as being "retarded". It's so much faster and easier to sling an insult in the hopes that the recipient will give up and go away.

Certification of Live Birth vs. Certificate of Live Birth is a distinction with very little difference. No matter which one Obama releases, he's still a citizen under "ius sanguinis ("right of the blood"), under which citizenship results from having an American parent or parents." If Obama was born on the moon, he'd still be a citizen due to having a mother who was born and lived in America for close to 19 years before his own birth. If Obama was born in Kenya, he'd still be a citizen due to having a mother who was born and lived in America for close to 19 years before his own birth. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Read the Naturalization Act of 1790: "...[it] establishes the United States citizenship of children of citizens, born abroad, without the need for naturalization, "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".

You haven't made a factual charge so you haven't offered facts to refute. You've simply repeated vague, unproven accusations over and over again. Obama was born in Hawaii. Two separate Hawaiian newspapers reported his birth. Newspapers didn't get this information from the parents but from the hospital. It was routine in those days to publish birth announcements, marriage licenses, etc. What you and the others are claiming boils down to a supposed collusion between all parties almost 50 years ago to hide information on the off-chance that this one particular baby would become president. It's ludicrous, bordering on insane, to think this way.

Damocles, feel free to size down the images. I don't know how to.