Beck's holocaust comments: OTT?

beck said he sent jews to their deaths...did soros do that?

Apparently yes- Again, Beck's emphasis was on the seeming lack of remorse or self reflection that might lead him to be sorry even for an unwitting participation...instead Soros claims it was one of his "happiest" times. In looking at the man George Soros, this seems like a valid examination.

From the English-language publication of Tivadar Soros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languages in which Soros pere was fluent.

George, who, like Paul, has inherited his father’s broad face, pointed out that Tivadar’s fondness for the comforts of bourgeois life was not accompanied by a docile bourgeois sensibility. “We didn’t preserve ordinariness,” George said. “He made us very conscious that these were extraordinary times and that the normal rules didn’t apply.” In the book, Tivadar writes that at one point young George was required by the authorities to deliver notices to certain Jews that they should report to the Rabbinical Seminary with blankets and food. “This was a profoundly important experience for me,” George said. “My father said, ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.‘ The reply from one man was ’I am a law-abiding citizen. They can’t do anything to me.’ I told my father, and that was an occasion for a lecture that there are times when you have laws that are immoral, and if you obey them you perish.”
 
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Apparently yes- Again, Beck's emphasis was on the seeming lack of remorse or self reflection that might lead him to be sorry even for an unwitting psrticipation...instead Soros claims it was one of his "happiest" times. In looking at the man George Soros, this seems like a valid examination.

From the English-language publication of Tivadar Soros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languages in which Soros pere was fluent.

George, who, like Paul, has inherited his father’s broad face, pointed out that Tivadar’s fondness for the comforts of bourgeois life was not accompanied by a docile bourgeois sensibility. “We didn’t preserve ordinariness,” George said. “He made us very conscious that these were extraordinary times and that the normal rules didn’t apply.” In the book, Tivadar writes that at one point young George was required by the authorities to deliver notices to certain Jews that they should report to the Rabbinical Seminary with blankets and food. “This was a profoundly important experience for me,” George said. “My father said, ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.‘ The reply from one man was ’I am a law-abiding citizen. They can’t do anything to me.’ I told my father, and that was an occasion for a lecture that there are times when you have laws that are immoral, and if you obey them you perish.”

so he knowingly delivered notices that sent people to their death?
 
so he knowingly delivered notices that sent people to their death?

Beck never said Soros "knew". Deportation for the Hungarian Jew meant Auschwitz and so the adult Soros certainly knew what the after effects were, if not when he did what he did; and yet this was the happiest time of his life reflecting back as an adult. Certainly the Soros' knew deportation was something they themselves wished to avoid ...or why hide their own Jewishness?
 
Another one for the collection!

-you're an obsessive twit:cright:

(Here's a secret... neg reps don't matter when the person only has negs. :) )

why can't you be honest and admit my comment was not in response to something you said? why are you ignoring the post i quoted damo...that shows your claim that it was the same thing is false?

perhaps instead of obsessively collecting my words, you could be honest about what i said....

oh....twit :)
 
There was nothing made up. Soros himself in a 2001 interview acknowledges that this is true. The point Beck was trying to make is not that Soros did this to stay alive, but that he in fact considered this time one of his "happiest"! How is this not a legitimate examination of the man?

I can't speak for George Soros, but he was 14 and a witness, not a participant. There was nothing he could have done to stop the Nazis, except get himself killed by speaking out.

But you keep rolling along and skip over everything I said to follow this nut off the cliff. I am not going to join you.

First of all, it would require me to believe all the propaganda Beck has already created about 'progressives' and 'liberals'...Here's the truth. Without the progressive movement in this country, as a female Ice Dancer, you'd still me considered a second class citizen, out washing clothes to earn your dowry, unable to vote and promised by your father to some 400 lb banker with BO and bad teeth.

OR, you could move to an ultra conservative culture that never had a progressive movement...
woman-with-burka.jpg


And I'd have to believe that Soros IS a puppet master. George Soros is a perfect subject for Beck to conflate. He's a perfect fit for the right's historic fear of 'others', he is a 'foreigner' he speaks with an 'accent'. This is right out of McCarthyism, 1950s and The Red Scare. Beck NEEDS to malign Soros' as a youth, because it serves as the foundation of what follows, his overall straw man.

Wasn't there some great American conservative icon who was praised for helping 'tear down a wall', and bring down a communist, authoritarian government? Ron... Ronald Rea...help me here...Well George Soros helped bring down numerous communist, authoritarian government(S) plural.

And, George Soros is not running for any public office in America that last time I checked. As citizens we should conduct a much more legitimate examination of the men we elect to high office. If we had done so, we would have found out that when George W. Bush was a kid, he enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up. Maybe if we had been more diligent back in 2000, over 4,000 American sons & daughters would still be alive and 100,000 innocent Iraqis.

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
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I can't speak for George Soros, but he was 14 and a witness, not a participant. There was nothing he could have done to stop the Nazis, except get himself killed by speaking out.

But you keep rolling along and skip over everything I said to follow this nut off the cliff. I am not going to join you.

First of all, it would require me to believe all the propaganda Beck has already created about 'progressives' and 'liberals'...Here's the truth. Without the progressive movement in this country, as a female Ice Dancer, you'd still me considered a second class citizen, out washing clothes to earn your dowry, unable to vote and promised by your father to some 400 lb banker with BO and bad teeth.

OR, you could move to an ultra conservative culture that never had a progressive movement...
woman-with-burka.jpg


And I'd have to believe that Soros IS a puppet master. George Soros is a perfect subject for Beck to conflate. He's a perfect fit for the right's historic fear of 'others', he is a 'foreigner' he speaks with an 'accent'. This is right out of McCarthyism, 1950s and The Red Scare. Beck NEEDS to malign Soros' as a youth, because it serves as the foundation of what follows, his overall straw man.

Wasn't there some great American conservative icon who was praised for helping 'tear down a wall', and bring down a communist, authoritarian government? Ron... Ronald Rea...help me here...Well George Soros helped bring down numerous communist, authoritarian government(S) plural.

And, George Soros is not running for any public office in America that last time I checked. As citizens we should conduct a much more legitimate examination of the men we elect to high office. If we had done a so, we would have found out that when George W. Bush was a kid, he enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up. Maybe if we had been more diligent back in 2000, over 4,000 American sons & daughters would still be alive and 100,000 innocent Iraqis.

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Awesome post!
 
I can't speak for George Soros, but he was 14 and a witness, not a participant. There was nothing he could have done to stop the Nazis, except get himself killed by speaking out.

But you keep rolling along and skip over everything I said to follow this nut off the cliff. I am not going to join you.

First of all, it would require me to believe all the propaganda Beck has already created about 'progressives' and 'liberals'...Here's the truth. Without the progressive movement in this country, as a female Ice Dancer, you'd still me considered a second class citizen, out washing clothes to earn your dowry, unable to vote and promised by your father to some 400 lb banker with BO and bad teeth.

OR, you could move to an ultra conservative culture that never had a progressive movement...
woman-with-burka.jpg


And I'd have to believe that Soros IS a puppet master. George Soros is a perfect subject for Beck to conflate. He's a perfect fit for the right's historic fear of 'others', he is a 'foreigner' he speaks with an 'accent'. This is right out of McCarthyism, 1950s and The Red Scare. Beck NEEDS to malign Soros' as a youth, because it serves as the foundation of what follows, his overall straw man.

Wasn't there some great American conservative icon who was praised for helping 'tear down a wall', and bring down a communist, authoritarian government? Ron... Ronald Rea...help me here...Well George Soros helped bring down numerous communist, authoritarian government(S) plural.

And, George Soros is not running for any public office in America that last time I checked. As citizens we should conduct a much more legitimate examination of the men we elect to high office. If we had done a so, we would have found out that when George W. Bush was a kid, he enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up. Maybe if we had been more diligent back in 2000, over 4,000 American sons & daughters would still be alive and 100,000 innocent Iraqis.

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

No one said George Soros was wrong to participate in order to stay alive. Beck's emphasis was that as an adult he remembered that time as his happiest. Beck examines the man as "a puppet master" because Soros himself discusses his power as god like.

Again, Beck was not talking about the act of Soros doing what he did for self preservation, but for his saying this was his happiest time. I do not "follow Beck", but I do like to keep things in context and relevent. And this is relevent when examining the man.

The Womens Suffrage movement was a good thing as was the Civil Rights movement...which apart from democrats seizing on these two historical movements as being their own is not in fact historically correct or relevent to your post. In fact both of these groups shared the common bond of equality under God as stated within the Declaration of Independence then to any political ideology of their times.
 
Apparently yes- Again, Beck's emphasis was on the seeming lack of remorse or self reflection that might lead him to be sorry even for an unwitting participation...instead Soros claims it was one of his "happiest" times. In looking at the man George Soros, this seems like a valid examination.

From the English-language publication of Tivadar Soros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languages in which Soros pere was fluent.

George, who, like Paul, has inherited his father’s broad face, pointed out that Tivadar’s fondness for the comforts of bourgeois life was not accompanied by a docile bourgeois sensibility. “We didn’t preserve ordinariness,” George said. “He made us very conscious that these were extraordinary times and that the normal rules didn’t apply.” In the book, Tivadar writes that at one point young George was required by the authorities to deliver notices to certain Jews that they should report to the Rabbinical Seminary with blankets and food. “This was a profoundly important experience for me,” George said. “My father said, ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.‘ The reply from one man was ’I am a law-abiding citizen. They can’t do anything to me.’ I told my father, and that was an occasion for a lecture that there are times when you have laws that are immoral, and if you obey them you perish.”

My God Ice Dancer, you don't even understand what you just posted.

Soros, then 13 and living under the protection of a non-Jewish Hungarian, on one occasion joined the older man when he was ordered by Nazis to inventory the estate of a Hungarian Jew who had fled. On another occasion, the local Jewish council had ordered Soros to deliver letters to local lawyers; Soros’ father, Tivadar, realized the letters were to Jewish lawyers, and meant to expedite their deportation. He told George to warn the targets to flee, and ended George’s work with the council.

Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/133080/#ixzz15DOnhwbN
 
My God Ice Dancer, you don't even understand what you just posted.

Soros, then 13 and living under the protection of a non-Jewish Hungarian, on one occasion joined the older man when he was ordered by Nazis to inventory the estate of a Hungarian Jew who had fled. On another occasion, the local Jewish council had ordered Soros to deliver letters to local lawyers; Soros’ father, Tivadar, realized the letters were to Jewish lawyers, and meant to expedite their deportation. He told George to warn the targets to flee, and ended George’s work with the council.

Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/133080/#ixzz15DOnhwbN

From the English-language publication of Tivadar Soros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languages in which Soros pere was fluent.

George, who, like Paul, has inherited his father’s broad face, pointed out that Tivadar’s fondness for the comforts of bourgeois life was not accompanied by a docile bourgeois sensibility. “We didn’t preserve ordinariness,” George said. “He made us very conscious that these were extraordinary times and that the normal rules didn’t apply.” In the book, Tivadar writes that at one point young George was required by the authorities to deliver notices to certain Jews that they should report to the Rabbinical Seminary with blankets and food. “This was a profoundly important experience for me,” George said. “My father said, ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.‘ The reply from one man was ’I am a law-abiding citizen. They can’t do anything to me.’ I told my father, and that was an occasion for a lecture that there are times when you have laws that are immoral, and if you obey them you perish.”

WTF are you talking about? Yurt asked if Soros had participated in sending Jews to their death as Becks comments claimed (Beck never stated Soros knew they would be killed only that they were sent to Nazi death camps-which Auschwitz was). Deprortation of Hungarian Jews MEANT Auschwitz. In an excerpt from Tivadar Soros, Georges' father, it's clear that he had. In context of what Beck says on the matter this FACT did not cause Soros any regrets and in fact he says it was his happiest time...Why the fricking difficulty in following this.
 
Yeah, Soros, a 13-year old boy, should've revealed to everyone that he was a Jew and protected the property from seizure up until he was shot 5 seconds later by the Nazi guards and thrown into a landfill.

Classy Beck is classy once again. By whatever means necessary, advance the Republican cause. This is politics as a team sport, people. Truth is secondary.

These idiots think a 13-year old child has the knowledge, understanding and reasoning ability of mature adults. Anybody who thinks that a kid who's been on earth little more than a decade has the fully-developed faculties of an adult... well, they themselves haven't grown mentally beyond the teenage years either, IMO.
 
Some stupid pot stirring idiots can't seem to absorb the idea that it is not a 14 year old boys unwitting participation that is in question, but the 80 year old who sees that time as his happiest.
 
From the English-language publication of Tivadar Soros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languages in which Soros pere was fluent.



WTF are you talking about? Yurt asked if Soros had participated in sending Jews to their death as Becks comments claimed (Beck never stated Soros knew they would be killed only that they were sent to Nazi death camps-which Auschwitz was). Deprortation of Hungarian Jews MEANT Auschwitz. In an excerpt from Tivadar Soros, Georges' father, it's clear that he had. In context of what Beck says on the matter this FACT did not cause Soros any regrets and in fact he says it was his happiest time...Why the fricking difficulty in following this.

What is wrong with you? Soros' father told him ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.

His father was telling George to WARN THEM if the did report, they would be deported.
 
Some stupid pot stirring idiots can't seem to absorb the idea that it is not a 14 year old boys unwitting participation that is in question, but the 80 year old who sees that time as his happiest.

No, some stupid people are trying to somehow make the connection that having to deliver those notices was the reason for happiness.
 
What is wrong with you? Soros' father told him ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.

His father was telling George to WARN THEM if the did report, they would be deported.

Exactly, and why wouldn't he look back on that as one of his happiest times, when he was helping to save lives.
 
What is wrong with you? Soros' father told him ‘You should go ahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will be deported.

His father was telling George to WARN THEM if the did report, they would be deported.


Yes, his father told him to to say "if you report they will deport you"...and so? Would that mean that Soros participated in sending jews to Auschwitz? The answer to that is yes... This was the question posed to me by yurt and this excerpt from Tavidar Soros' book supported Beck's statemnet that Soros participated in sending jews to death camps. Yet he, Soros, recalls this as the happiest time in his life. Beck's emphasis was on this seeming callous statement by Soros. That with the aid of history how he, Soros, can look back at the atrocity of the time and recall it as his happiest in the context of being asked about his participation!
 
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