Bart Ehrman on gains and losses to Western Civilization due to Christianity

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According to the well-regarded atheist New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman, these are the cultural gains and losses that can be associated with the Christianization of western civilization.


Gains​

The Christianization of Europe is the most transformative event of Western Civilization, and arguably the most transformative event of human history. If Christianity had not taken over the Roman world, none of the historical movements that have shaped our world would have happened: What we know of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Reformation, and arguably the Enlightenment would have been unthinkable. In one way or another, Christianity was the dominant force in all of them, and all of them shaped who we are today.

Culture
The history of western philosophy, art, music, literature as we know it would not have occurred.
There never would have been a Descartes or Kant.
There never would have been a Michelangelo, Giotto, or Ruebens.
There never would have been a Mozart, Handel, or Bach. There never would have been a Chaucer, Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky.

Ethics and Social Justice
There was an important and sustained discussion of ethics in the ancient Roman world. But it was simply understood at every level that the strong would and should assert dominance over the weaker.

The word 'service' is one way to describe the basic ideology celebrated by the early Christians. Not all Christians practiced this ideology, but it was the one that was taught, preached, and urged.

The Christians insisted that love of the other was more important than dominance, that it was more important to serve than to be served. It is important to note that the Christian views came out of Judaism.

With the Christianization of the West, there emerged hospitals, orphanages, public funding of welfare and private charities.

These things did not exist in the pagan world. They came into being because of the Christian church.

Most would consider this development a real plus, hugely beneficial to the human race at large and to most of us individually.


Losses​

Diversity:
The pagan cults tolerated diversity in religious practice, and the sense that varying paths to the divine were acceptable.

Loss of pagan literature:
The Christian monasteries were mostly focusing on copying and preserving Christian religious texts, and an enormous amount of pagan literature and philosophy was lost to posterity.




source credit: Bart Ehrman, PhD, University of North Carolina, 'The Triumph of Christianity', 2024.
 
According to the well-regarded atheist New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman, these are the cultural gains and losses that can be associated with the Christianization of western civilization.


Gains​

The Christianization of Europe is the most transformative event of Western Civilization, and arguably the most transformative event of human history. If Christianity had not taken over the Roman world, none of the historical movements that have shaped our world would have happened: What we know of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Reformation, and arguably the Enlightenment would have been unthinkable. In one way or another, Christianity was the dominant force in all of them, and all of them shaped who we are today.

Culture
The history of western philosophy, art, music, literature as we know it would not have occurred.
There never would have been a Descartes or Kant.
There never would have been a Michelangelo, Giotto, or Ruebens.
There never would have been a Mozart, Handel, or Bach. There never would have been a Chaucer, Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky.

Ethics and Social Justice
There was an important and sustained discussion of ethics in the ancient Roman world. But it was simply understood at every level that the strong would and should assert dominance over the weaker.

The word 'service' is one way to describe the basic ideology celebrated by the early Christians. Not all Christians practiced this ideology, but it was the one that was taught, preached, and urged.

The Christians insisted that love of the other was more important than dominance, that it was more important to serve than to be served. It is important to note that the Christian views came out of Judaism.

With the Christianization of the West, there emerged hospitals, orphanages, public funding of welfare and private charities.

These things did not exist in the pagan world. They came into being because of the Christian church.

Most would consider this development a real plus, hugely beneficial to the human race at large and to most of us individually.


Losses​

Diversity:
The pagan cults tolerated diversity in religious practice, and the sense that varying paths to the divine were acceptable.

Loss of pagan literature:
The Christian monasteries were mostly focusing on copying and preserving Christian religious texts, and an enormous amount of pagan literature and philosophy was lost to posterity.




source credit: Bart Ehrman, PhD, University of North Carolina, 'The Triumph of Christianity', 2024.
you have no clue what would have happened if not......this huge thing.

you're so fucking dumb.

horrible retarded logic.

horribly retarded like you.
 
Losses
Diversity:
The pagan cults tolerated diversity in religious practice, and the sense that varying paths to the divine were acceptable.

Like the religion of the Aztecs, and other meso-American cultures? As but one example of many...

Loss of pagan literature:
The Christian monasteries were mostly focusing on copying and preserving Christian religious texts, and an enormous amount of pagan literature and philosophy was lost to posterity.
Most pagan religions had little in the way of texts, but we know quite a bit about many of them from ruins of temples and such where they were covered with artwork.
 
everyone knows what did happen.
But not why.
Even the great atheist scholar Bart Ehrman states that the Christianization of Europe was the most transformational event in world history and effects us in profound ways we don't even think about.
what would happen if something didn't;t happen.
Nobody on this board would roll the dice and take the risk of ending up with something that doesn't include a Rennassaice, doesn't include Western science, doesn't include Western education, western music, literature and art.

Western civilization was so unique, even the Chinese, Japanese, and Indians decided to emulate and copy Western models of education, science, technology, literary genres. If there wasn't something truly unique about western civilization, it wouldn't be so widely emulated.
 
According to the well-regarded atheist New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman, these are the cultural gains and losses that can be associated with the Christianization of western civilization.


Gains​

The Christianization of Europe is the most transformative event of Western Civilization, and arguably the most transformative event of human history. If Christianity had not taken over the Roman world, none of the historical movements that have shaped our world would have happened: What we know of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Reformation, and arguably the Enlightenment would have been unthinkable. In one way or another, Christianity was the dominant force in all of them, and all of them shaped who we are today.

Culture
The history of western philosophy, art, music, literature as we know it would not have occurred.
There never would have been a Descartes or Kant.
There never would have been a Michelangelo, Giotto, or Ruebens.
There never would have been a Mozart, Handel, or Bach. There never would have been a Chaucer, Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky.

Ethics and Social Justice
There was an important and sustained discussion of ethics in the ancient Roman world. But it was simply understood at every level that the strong would and should assert dominance over the weaker.

The word 'service' is one way to describe the basic ideology celebrated by the early Christians. Not all Christians practiced this ideology, but it was the one that was taught, preached, and urged.

The Christians insisted that love of the other was more important than dominance, that it was more important to serve than to be served. It is important to note that the Christian views came out of Judaism.

With the Christianization of the West, there emerged hospitals, orphanages, public funding of welfare and private charities.

These things did not exist in the pagan world. They came into being because of the Christian church.

Most would consider this development a real plus, hugely beneficial to the human race at large and to most of us individually.


Losses​

Diversity:
The pagan cults tolerated diversity in religious practice, and the sense that varying paths to the divine were acceptable.

Loss of pagan literature:
The Christian monasteries were mostly focusing on copying and preserving Christian religious texts, and an enormous amount of pagan literature and philosophy was lost to posterity.




source credit: Bart Ehrman, PhD, University of North Carolina, 'The Triumph of Christianity', 2024.
The Mayans didn't seem too tolerant of other beliefs. I'm not sure about the Celts.
 
But not why.
Even the great atheist scholar Bart Ehrman states that the Christianization of Europe was the most transformational event in world history and effects us in profound ways we don't even think about.

Nobody on this board would roll the dice and take the risk of ending up with something that doesn't include a Rennassaice, doesn't include Western science, doesn't include Western education, western music, literature and art.

Western civilization was so unique, even the Chinese, Japanese, and Indians decided to emulate and copy Western models of education, science, technology, literary genres. If there wasn't something truly unique about western civilization, it wouldn't be so widely emulated.
fuck Bart erhman.

you're an imbecile.
 
So you don't think there is anything particularly unique or impressive about western civilization, and you'd be perfectly happy running the clock backwards and risk European history taking a completely different trajectory.
yes i do.

but trying to reduce it all to the Catholic church is fucking stupid.

the main adjectives are reductivist and retarded.
 
but trying to reduce it all to the Catholic church is fucking stupid.
There is nothing in Bart Ehrman's statements in the OP that attribute everything to Christianity. He's an atheist, and not bloody likely to credit Christianity for everything from the Rennassaince to pop tarts.

His case is that militant atheists like you have become blind to the fact of how much your culture, your ethos, your history, your civilization is directly related to the Christianization of Europe.
 
There is nothing in Bart Ehrman's statements in the OP that attribute everything to Christianity. He's an atheist, and not bloody likely to credit Christianity for everything from the Rennassaince to pop tarts.

His case is that militant atheists like you have become blind to the fact of how much your culture, your ethos, your history, your civilization is directly related to the Christianization of Europe.
morality is common to most religions.

all religions have a better and worse side.

the catholic negative side is huge and destructive in many ways.

you're a whitewashing propagandist, mostly just to recruit for Zionism.
 
There is nothing in Bart Ehrman's statements in the OP that attribute everything to Christianity. He's an atheist, and not bloody likely to credit Christianity for everything from the Rennassaince to pop tarts.

His case is that militant atheists like you have become blind to the fact of how much your culture, your ethos, your history, your civilization is directly related to the Christianization of Europe.
how am I a militant atheist?

I know what Jesus said and I know what the catholic church has done.

only kinda the same.

the catholic church is quite evil according to morality.

you denigrate and deny Christ's actual words.
 
the catholic church is quite evil according to morality.

Bart Ehrmam never made the case that the Christianization of Europe resulted in an ideal, peaceful utopia.

He is making the case for why the Christianization of Europe was a unique and utterly transformational event.

Since Christianity, atheism, science, Hinduism, Islam, capitalism, communism, colonialism have all been responsible for crimes against humanity, there's nothing unique about Christianity in that regard.
 
Bart Ehrmam never made the case that the Christianization of Europe resulted in an ideal, peaceful utopia.

He is making the case for why the Christianization of Europe was a unique and utterly transformational event.

Since Christianity, atheism, science, Hinduism, Islam, capitalism, communism, colonialism have all been responsible for crimes against humanity, there's nothing unique about Christianity in that regard.
nothing unique.

you nailed it.

everybody has stinky shit.
 
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