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But Damo must be blatantly lying because Poet said so. Thats pretty blatant.
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But Damo must be blatantly lying because Poet said so. Thats pretty blatant.
poet
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Sorry, I didn't see the link. Can you point to what post it was in or repost it?
Had you actually participated in this site longer than a month or so, you would know we discussed this with links, etc. back when it was happening.
Did you know the NAACP in Arizona protested To Kill a Mockingbird?
Here is a short list of places it was banned...
TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
by Harper Lee
Considered "dangerous" because of profanity and undermining of race relations.
Challenged (temporaily banned) in Eden Valley, Minnesota, 1977;
Vernon-Verona-Sherill, New York, School District, 1980;
Warren, Indiana, township schools, 1981;
Waukegan, Illinois, School District, 1984;
Kansas City, Missouri, junior high schools, 1985;
Park Hill (Missouri) Junior High School, 1985.
Protested by black parents and NAACP in Casa Grande (Arizona)
Elementary School District, 1985.
See this link:
http://home.nvg.org/~aga/bulletin43.html
poet
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Excuse me? Are you serious? The most recent entry in that list was almost 27 years ago. How is that relevant today? There haven't been any serious attempts at censorship of classic literature recently, so where is the impetus for your argument? Society , culture and values have changed in 27 years, all over the world. I thought you were implying a pending or recent movement. Ridiculous. Try not to waste our time , in the future with irrelevant nonsense.
Right, because history doesn't matter so long as you are able to pretend that it doesn't. And the very real idea to change the words of the books is a "now" thing, but you'll want to ignore that too.
Society has changed, but censorship is still censorship and it is still being attempted now.
poet
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OK. You do realize that doing drugs so early in the morning is not good for you? History matters as a point of reference, in order not to repeat it, but to have learned from it. The only changing of words in books that I know of happened in Texas, when the Texas school board sought and changed textbooks to omit certain events and persons in history as irrelevant and to put a right wing , Christian based slant on other information....totally revisionist with a design to "indoctrinate".
Please list the evidence of words being omitted from books, currently...or stop making mountains out of old molehills. I mean really? Geez.
I do realize that it is a liberal group that is quite literally changing literature to meet their own PC requirement, and that it is current.
And you also need to realize that it was a short list, there are still schools who ban that book from classrooms/libraries based on the objections of liberal groups. Just like there are some in Texas that ban books due to the objections of Christians, most of which you wouldn't want banned...
The is a very strong reality you attempt to dismiss, and actually seem to support at times. Totalitarians exist on both sides of the aisle. And I don't give a rip if it is "conservative" or "liberal" I give a rip that they are trying to take away personal freedoms.
More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jan/05/huckleberry-finn-edition-censors-n-word
It's in reaction to the FACT that the books have been BANNED from schools across the nation.
Quit ignoring facts that you dislike, poet.
Read further down... They plan on f*cking up To Kill A Mockingbird too...
This is crap. Totalitarian nonsense has banned the books, in order to "fix" it this dude is caving to their demands.. It's gross, it detracts from the books and their meaning, and it absolutely takes away a possible learning experience that can greatly benefit our nation. Aren't you sick of people who are afraid to speak about race issues? I know I am.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jan/05/huckleberry-finn-edition-censors-n-word
It's in reaction to the FACT that the books have been BANNED from schools across the nation.
Quit ignoring facts that you dislike, poet.
Read further down... They plan on f*cking up To Kill A Mockingbird too...
This is crap. Totalitarian nonsense has banned the books, in order to "fix" it this dude is caving to their demands.. It's gross, it detracts from the books and their meaning, and it absolutely takes away a possible learning experience that can greatly benefit our nation. Aren't you sick of people who are afraid to speak about race issues? I know I am.
poet
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You're confused. That wouldn't be liberals, trying to take away freedoms, by definition.
Nor would they be conservatives, who would defend the rights given by the founders. Yet, according to current lexicon, they are called liberals and conservatives rather than idiot reactionaries because of the reasons they give for their totalitarianism.
Shall we call them left reactionaries? or "right reactionaries"? Why? Current lexicon makes it so that we all understand of what we are speaking, and makes it so you can pretend that the NAACP of Arizona isn't "liberal".
poet
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Well, excuse me, but did you research and find Twain scholar Dr Alan Gribben of Auburn University, Montgomery, to be a "raging liberal", hellbent on making Huck Finn "PC", or you just assumed such? What facts, I'm ignoring? You have cited no evidence that liberals are behind this. Who is ignoring the facts, really?
So you didn't bother to read, the fact is groups like the NAACP in Arizona, and others, have been successful in getting the book banned from schools across the nation, and this is in reaction to that. Playing stupid doesn't become you, poet. You are better than this, or you should be. I expect better from somebody who demands it of others.
poet
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27 years ago. Where is the evidence that it is a current matter? You're just inventing shit. You listed a source of books banned or contemplated to be banned..and the most recent effort was 1987.
You had to go back 27 years to find something to be upset about. You need a life. And I don't play stupid. Stupid and I is a oxymoron, and you know it.
It was in the story you ignored. And yes, the publisher is a liberal according to current political lexicon. Reality is, ignorance is also and deliberate ignorance is ugly.
It is right now, it is happening, and you prefer to ignore reality. I'm good with that, I expected better. I was disappointed.
poet
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Just when I thought that you couldn't be any more "full of shit", here you go. Conservatives are the ones who want to censor pornography, art , music, poetry, PBS, MSNBC, etc...
The reference you posted , numbskull, was of the machinations, "allegedly", of some 27 years ago. Get a grip. Find a current link , linking the Arizona NAACP to censorship now. Or STFU.
poet
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BS. If it's happening now, show that it's happening now. You can't. And I give a fuck what you think. You obviously "don't think". Say no to drugs.
I did, with the article you ignored. Say no to ignorance, poet. It makes you ugly.
poet
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Post #63
They just tried to remove it from school libraries, along with To Kill a Mockingbird and a few others because they mention words that some people find offensive.
Post #75
Had you actually participated in this site longer than a month or so, you would know we discussed this with links, etc. back when it was happening.
Did you know the NAACP in Arizona protested To Kill a Mockingbird?
Here is a short list of places it was banned...
TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
by Harper Lee
Considered "dangerous" because of profanity and undermining of race relations.
Challenged (temporaily banned) in Eden Valley, Minnesota, 1977;
Vernon-Verona-Sherill, New York, School District, 1980;Warren, Indiana, township schools, 1981;Waukegan, Illinois, School District, 1984;
Kansas City, Missouri, junior high schools, 1985;Park Hill (Missouri) Junior High School, 1985.Protested by black parents and NAACP in Casa Grande (Arizona)
Elementary School District, 1985. See this link:
http://home.nvg.org/~aga/bulletin43.html
Post #79
Yet I backed it up with blatant link, and blatant fact. Interesting, when fact isn't lining up the way you want it to, you ignore fact and call it a "lie"...
Censorship is censorship, totalitarians live in both parties, they act the same and none of them will ever get my support. Apparently, belonging to a political "team" is more important to some people than actually taking a stand on what is right against tyrannic people who would use the power of government to enforce their values on others.
The problem is that door swings both ways. Imagine a Christian taking a stand against a book because there is a homosexual relationship in it... I would be against it.
Imagine the NAACP in Arizona taking a stand against a book that does more to help race relations than many written, simply because it displays racism in order to teach that lesson. I would be against that...
To Kill A Mockingbird is arguably one of the more important pieces of literature written in the South in the 60s... Yet they fought "against" it. Imagine a liberal group working to remove words from a book because they aren't PC enough... I would be against them too.
Imagine some idiot pastor trying to burn the Koran to cause a sick scene... I absolutely would be against that.
In every instance I would be against it, because it doesn't matter why totalitarianism is displayed. It is always wrong.
Post #83 ( a repeat of Post #75)
Had you actually participated in this site longer than a month or so, you would know we discussed this with links, etc. back when it was happening.
Did you know the NAACP in Arizona protested To Kill a Mockingbird?
Here is a short list of places it was banned...
TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
by Harper Lee
Considered "dangerous" because of profanity and undermining of race relations.
Challenged (temporaily banned) in Eden Valley, Minnesota, 1977;
Vernon-Verona-Sherill, New York, School District, 1980;
Warren, Indiana, township schools, 1981;
Waukegan, Illinois, School District, 1984;
Kansas City, Missouri, junior high schools, 1985;
Park Hill (Missouri) Junior High School, 1985.
Protested by black parents and NAACP in Casa Grande (Arizona)
Elementary School District, 1985.
See this link:
http://home.nvg.org/~aga/bulletin43.html
Post #85
Right, because history doesn't matter so long as you are able to pretend that it doesn't. And the very real idea to change the words of the books is a "now" thing, but you'll want to ignore that too.
Society has changed, but censorship is still censorship and it is still being attempted now.
Post #87
I do realize that it is a liberal group that is quite literally changing literature to meet their own PC requirement, and that it is current.
And you also need to realize that it was a short list, there are still schools who ban that book from classrooms/libraries based on the objections of liberal groups. Just like there are some in Texas that ban books due to the objections of Christians, most of which you wouldn't want banned...
The is a very strong reality you attempt to dismiss, and actually seem to support at times. Totalitarians exist on both sides of the aisle. And I don't give a rip if it is "conservative" or "liberal" I give a rip that they are trying to take away personal freedoms.
Post #88
http://newsofthenorth.net/article/Bl...m_Sawyer/83491
Nowhere in the piece does it say who is responsible, or what ideology "they" possess...it's just a "rant".
Post #89
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011...censors-n-word
Here we are back to Dr. Alan Gribben, whom you claim (unsubstantiated) to be a "liberal", though he is at a Southern university in Montgomery Alabama.
So, you, repeating the same nonsense, passed off as facts, doesn't make it any more valid, true, or relevant. You didn't provide any substance to the notion that the publisher or the author were "liberals', only that your belief states that "no conservative could be behind it", because, de facto, they support the principles of the founding fathers, no less. Bull hockey. You insult my intelligence. And I just called you out on in, in open forum.