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WinterBorn
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Sure!! And we can open a bottle of Jack Daniels and work out a great fire & brimstone sermon. We only need 3 or 4 sermons. After that we pack up and move to a new location and give the same ones over and over.
BAC - "Slaves to religion"
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Sure!! And we can open a bottle of Jack Daniels and work out a great fire & brimstone sermon. We only need 3 or 4 sermons. After that we pack up and move to a new location and give the same ones over and over.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I agree with everything you've said here.
One thing that has always puzzled me since I was a boy was loking around the black community and seeing a church on almost every major corner. Sometimes there would be one on all four corners. Oftentimes they are multi-million dollar churches in neighborhoods where the median income is about $15,000 dollars a year. .. but there is only one book. If everybody is teaching from the same book, why are there so many churches?
When I looked around other communities I didn't see a church on every corner.
I came to realize that church is business and preachers are owner-operators. That is true of all churches, not just the ones in the black community, but it seems to affect us more probably due to a time when the church was a neccessity.
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BAC and IB1 display flawed logic. that is, religion, or the belief in god that says homosexuality is a sin, is wrong or inherently evil (the problem, not the excuse). you are effectively advocating to take away their right to their religious beliefs. to belittle them simply because they happen to be dark skinned and "should know better" is the height of ignorance and arrogance. the flaw is, if god does exist, as they believe, and homosexuality is a sin, then it is NOT oppression at all to vote against homosexual marriage.
your thinking displays outright hatred for religion and seemingly god. with such thinking, it really is a waste of time to even discuss this matter further with either of you.
your thinking displays outright hatred for religion and seemingly god. with such thinking, it really is a waste of time to even discuss this matter further with either of you.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
*sound of organ music, in the background*
MY FRIENDS - MY FRIENDS
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE EVIL OF DRINK
I TOO ONCE CONSPIRED WITH THE DEVIL TO DISGRACE MY BODY AND SOUL WITH DRINK
JACK DANIELS WAS MY SACRAMENT AND THE BAR WAS MY CHURCH
BUT ONE DAY - ONE DAY, THE LORD OPENED MY EYES AND MY HEART TO THE EVIL OF DRINK
NOW I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU FEEL IT'S OK, TO HAVE "JUST LITTLE DRINK", NOW AND THEN
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU ARE NOT HAVING A LITTLE DRINK
YOU ARE TAKING THE DEVIL INTO YOURSELF
AND HE WILL CONSUME YOU
BUT THERE IS A WAY OUT OF THIS DAMNATION
THERE IS A WAY
AND IT WILL LEAD YOU TO SALVATION
How did I do??
Many thought race mixing was a sin, and felt compelled to support a ban or interracial marriage!!! How do you feel about that?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
By the way good brother .. all that crap I sometimes say about southerners .. to one particular southerner .. is just my schtick I use when confronting racism.
I apologize if anything I've said is offensive to you.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I like you my brother, but you run because you can't support the bullshit you've said .. and talk about "flawed logic" .. are you calling me a racist .. against black people?
The flawed logic is your belief that just because they are covered by religion gives them the right to oppress anyone who doesn't contort to their religious beliefs. That isn't just flawed logic, it's downright stupid.
Do I need post some juicy quotes from religious people who thought blacks were animals and deserved no rights? Should they have gotten a pass because their hatred is cloaked in religion?
Arte you that removed from reality that you are unaware of the evil and hatred that hides under the cloak of religion?
The contradictions are obvious .. but you go ahead and run and claim yourself superior. I'll stay here and address any and every question without FEAR of being proven to not know what the fuck I'm talking about.
cawacko
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I remember Chuck D asking on a record why there was a liquor store or church on every corner in the black communities.
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WinterBorn
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THANK YOU BROTHER FREEDOM!
i KNEW BROTHER FREEDOM WHEN HE CONSORTED WITH THE DEVIL AND DRANK. I SAW WHAT EVIL CAME OUT OF THAT BOTTLE.
BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE WELCOME ALL TO THIS HOUSE OF GOD.
YOU CANNOT BE SAVED IF YOU COME BEFORE GOD ON SUNDAY WITH SATURDAY NIGHT ON YOUR BREATH.
THATS WHY WE ARE HERE. TO BRING THE SHEEP HOME TO GOD AND SAVE HIS FLOCK FROM THE WOLVES OF SATAN!
BROTHER FREEDOM IS PASSING AMOUNG YOU WITH ENVELOPES SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE AND SHARE AND BE A PART OF THIS MINISTRY.
THATS RIGHT BROTHERS AND SISTERS, IF YOU GIVE YOU BECOME PART OF GOD'S MINISTRY. THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE WE CAN MINISTER TO THE SICK, THE NEEDY AND THE TIRED.
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WinterBorn
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I was not offended. I have cussed southerners a few times too. Its an odd place to live. Some parts are so beautiful and genteel. And some seriously backwards ignorant parts.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
That's the good news.
Our youth are not as beholden to the phobias of our past.
They have the courage to question and are far less homophobic than is my generation or generations past.
cawacko
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BAC, so I had a handful of classmates and friends go to Morehouse. Now I've never been but what I've read is the school really emphasizes making students into 'Morehouse Men' and that is meant in a postive way. Again what I've read is that homosexuality is not what strong Morehouse Men are about. Have I read right?
blackascoal
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WinterBorn
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I see you've been to the south.
thanks
I have spent most of my life in Tuscaloosa AL. Strange mix but I love it.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Most correct my brother.
Morehouse does have a large population of gay men, but "Morehouse Men" does not mean gay.
This should interest you .. surprsingly written for a religious audience ..
Can a Morehouse College Man be Openly Gay?
Since its inception in 1867 Morehouse College is noted as the bastion of black male leadership, embodying W.E.B. Dubois’s theory of The Talented Tenth, where “exceptional black men” would be the ones to lead the race. Morehouse has unquestionably produced a pantheon of noted black men.
However, nowhere in its development of a strong, black, elite brotherhood were gay, and bisexual men included. And now, more than a century later, gay and bisexual Morehouse men are still struggling to be accepted.
Michael Brewer, a senior at Morehouse is trying to help the college foster a more welcoming environment, but many of his efforts on campus fall on deaf ears. LGBTQ activists are listening and so too is the Los Angeles Times with its recent article Morehouse College faces its own bias —against gays.
With more and more students of Brewer’s generation arriving on campus openly gay or bisexual, Morehouse’s administration continues to lack the cultural competence and sensitivity to address the issue, leaving students with only one option for how to be a Morehouse man.
Devrin Lindsay, a junior, told the Los Angeles Times that an effeminate man who “swishes down the campus like he’s on a runway” damages Morehouse’s image for parents with kids looking to attend the college.
But it is Morehouse’s highly publicized 2002 gay-bashing incident that has damaged its image, and has, sadly, taught the administration very little.
On November 4, 2002, a Morehouse College student sustained a fractured skull from his classmate, sophomore Aaron Price; not surprisingly the son of an ultra-conservative minister. Price repeatedly hit Gregory Love on the head with a baseball bat for allegedly looking at him in the shower.
According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Love did not have his glasses on, allegedly peering through the shower curtain to see whether or not it was his roommate. Unfortunately for Love it was Aaron Price in the shower.
But many on Morehouse’s campus felt then and do now that peering in a student’s shower is an act that not only transgresses Price’s privacy as a man, but also warrants some form of brute retaliation as an affirmation of his manhood. “A lot of people believe that he deserved to get beaten up if he was looking in the shower stall. Students are very wary of any action that could be misconstrued as a gay overture,” sophomore Mubarak Guy, who is a friend of Price’s, told the AJC in 2002.
During the arguments for and against convicting Price of the state’s first hate crime, Assistant Fulton County District Attorney Holly Hughes asked the jury to remember the words Price allegedly uttered “when he beat his victim with a baseball bat: ‘Faggot, you’re gay, gay … I hate these Morehouse faggots.’“
Morehouse is lauded as the jewel of black academia. Founded two years after the end of the Civil War by William Jefferson White in the basement of Springfield Baptist Church in Augusta, Ga., Morehouse's most famous alumnus is the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., graduated from in 1948 with a B.A. in sociology.
But King had his own problems with gay men.
Sadly, Bayard Rustin, the gay man who was chief organizer and strategist for the 1963 March on Washington that further catapulted King onto the world stage, was not the beneficiary of King’s dream.
In a spring 1987 interview with “Open Hands,” a resource for ministries affirming the diversity of human sexuality, Rustin stated that he pushed King to speak up on his behalf, but King did not. In John D’Emilo’s book “Lost Prophet: The Life and Times of Bayard Rustin,” D’Emilo wrote: “Rustin offered to resign in the hope that he would force the issue. Much to his chagrin, King did not reject the offer. At the time, King was also involved in a major challenge to the conservative leadership of the National Baptist Convention, and one of his ministerial lieutenants in the fight was also gay. Basically, King said, ‘I can’t take on two queers at one time.’”
Price was sentenced to 10 years in prison, expressing no emotion as the guilty verdict was read.
Despite the fact that Walter Massey, then-president of Morehouse noted, in a campus-wide address that, “homophobia is not a new topic at Morehouse,” little has changed. After the 2002 beating, gay students formed a support group, Safe Space, which Brewer belongs to. Unfortunately, the group's total membership this year included only about five active students.
In the '80s and '90s it was more dangerous to be openly gay and bisexual on Morehouse’s campus than it was on the streets of black neighborhoods.
Jafari Sinclaire Allen, a professor at University of Texas was an openly gay student at Morehouse in the late 1980s and early 1990s. He recalls fleeing campus one evening after a forum designed to address homophobia turned violently homophobic. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, Morehouse was listed on the Princeton Review’s top 20 homophobic campuses throughout the 1990s.
But homophobic incidents at Morehouse speak to a larger issue plaguing men of African descent in this country—acknowledging their sexuality.
With the dominant culture’s iconography of black male sexuality ranging from sexual predator to pornographic object, both the dominant heterosexual and the gay culture’s fear and fascination with black male sexuality may satisfy racist paranoid fantasies, but also strips men of African descent of both their possession of their sexuality as well as the language to safely express it.
Gay white Photographer Robert Mapplethorpe’s notorious “Man in a Polyester Suit” maintains the stereotypical convention of black male sexuality as a monstrous phallus that is dangerous, out of control and animalistic. The gay white male photographer’s focus on a black uncircumcised penis protruding from an unzipped pair of polyester pants reasserts the mythology of the super-sexualized black man.
Many African-American men on the “down low”(DL) say there are two salient features that contribute to their subculture—white gay culture and the Black Church. DL men deliberately segregate themselves from both black and white gay cultures as an alternative black masculinity that only wants to have sex and socialize with other black men. But class is a factor here, too. While many gay African-American men have the economic mobility to reside outside of the black community and are likely to intermingle with the dominant gay culture, most DL men don’t.
“They’ve created a community of their own, a cultural party where whites aren’t invited. Labeling yourself as DL is a way to disassociate from everything white and upper class... And that is a way for DL men to assert some power,” George Ayala, director of education for AIDS Project Los Angeles, told the Times in the 2003 article.
The Black Church’s gender ideology and sexual politics also contribute to this subculture. A study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life indicated that African-American churchgoers are the least likely of all faiths to support gay civil rights. The Forum also indicated that since 2006, black Protestants are less likely than other Protestant groups to believe that gays should have equal rights. For example, black Protestant support for gays dipped to a low of 40 percent last year, down from 65 percent in 1996 and 59 percent in 1992
With homophobia running as rampant in historically black colleges and universities as it is in black churches, there are no safe places to openly engage the subject of black sexuality. With sexuality being both socially constructed and performative, black male sexuality becomes a caricature of itself that is heavily imprinted in society. Black, gay sexuality within African-American culture is perceived to further threaten not only black male heterosexuality, but also the ontology of blackness itself.
“If you look historically at what black males were subjected to in the white community, to hear a black male saying he’s gay goes against the grain of society’s picture,” said Florence Bonner, head of the sociology department at Howard University in Washington, DC, another HBCU. “The African-American community suffers from not having enough outlets for cross connection, or for all of us in general to talk about sexuality and the impact of living in fear of stating your sexuality.”
As the nation’s largest liberal arts college for men, Morehouse continues to confer degrees on more men of African descent than any institution of higher education in this country.
Although Morehouse has always had a vibrant underground gay community, Morehouse has carefully crafted its image as an institution that produces strong men of African descent. And part of its crafted image is the legacy of the strong Morehouse man who is unquestionably heterosexual.
If Morehouse is to continue to be the jewel of black academia nurturing the talents and gifts of its exceptional black men it must ask itself: To what degree does its tradition hinder its goal?
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/sexandgender/267/can_a_morehouse_college_man_be_openly_gay
WAR DAMM EAGLE!
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I hope my southern rants have not offended you or your family as well. I sincerly aplogize if I have.
In fact, I should stop doing it.
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more flawed logic:
i seem to be calling you a racist...lame and no evidence to cause you to even question it, but it is the typical left talking point...throw out the word racism any time you can
it must be oppression....wrong, it is not oppression, any more than it is oppression for them to vote against incest marriage. they believe homosexuality is a dire sin and voting against it is not oppression at all. your myopic and one sided view shows your bigotry of religion.
false analogy BAC...to show that some religious people thought blacks were animals is not the same as saying homosexuality is a sin...nice try
i guarantee that any discussion you and i have on this will go nowhere. you will always see religion as oppression, i'm not going to change your view, so it is not running, it is simply recognizing that you and 1b believe religion is a major problem. i'm not going to convince that god exists or that homosexuality is a sin.
your arrogance is further displayed by your last sentence, you presume that you will of course always be right. thanks for proving my point.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Religion isn't really the point is it?
NO ONE has a right to discriminate against other people. Religious beliefs don't count when the freedom of other Americans is at stake.
By your own false and confused logic, if the interpretation is that god (small g) said that blacks have no right to freedom, that interpretation should not be challenged. If god said blacks and whites should not marry, that interpretaion should not be challenged.
.. and you call those who challenge that interpretation "bigots."
Quite amazing how people on the right like you are suddenly so aware of things like bigotry and racism when in fact it has been the right standing in the door blocking challenges to end bigotry and racism for hundreds of years.
Now, in your desperation to find relavance in a society that scorns your foolish beliefs, only now are bigotry and racism on the menu.
You're probably right. No need for us to debate blockhead thoughts.
The good news is that no matter how you twist and squirm, gays will marry in thsi country and homsexuals will be accepted as just everyday life and people .. as they should.
That's the good news.
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