Baby killers cause Komen to cave

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Glad you asked. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm There are numerous other sites documenting the same thing.

thanks... I know that spontaneous abortions occur. But your site doesn't proclaim what you state.

For example it says :
"It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant.[/quote]

How can something die if not first ALIVE?

As I noted in msg 119,

that quote is filled with nonsense. Again, just because defects are present doesn't mean it isn't human. Some defects are indeed sufficient to cause death. It doesn't change the fact that is was human.

Do you understand the first sentence? Considering the abnormalities we witness it's reasonable to conclude an egg that lacks the necessary ingredients with which to form a human being can be fertilized. That does not mean it is a human being or will ever become a human being. Science can not even tell us why 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, yet, you ramble on about science proving they're human beings.

Obviously you fail to comprehend what YOUR OWN LINK stated:

Most miscarriages are caused by chromosome problems that make it impossible for the baby to develop. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother or father's genes.

Other possible causes for miscarriage include:

Drug and alcohol abuse
Exposure to environmental toxins
Hormone problems
Infection
Obesity
Physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs
Problem with the body's immune response
Serious body-wide ( systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes)
Smoking"

Oops... it ISNT the genetic mapping that is normally the cause of spontaneous abortions. Guess your own site just blew you out of the water. That has to be embarrassing for you.

Watch the video I posted and try to learn. The knowledge of DNA and genes is extremely limited. All science can determine is if something is composed of human material. It has absolutely no idea if a fertilized cell has the necessary components to develop into a human being so to assert science can prove something is a human being is sheer nonsense.

Try educating yourself. Science most certainly CAN tell that genetic mapping is present in a fertilized egg. It has reached the point where they are capable of gene splicing. You are 100% incorrect to state that Science cannot prove someone is human. My god you are retarded.

 

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What's the definition of person?

Let me guess, you are going to continue with this nonsense all day? I am not going to reprint the dictionary for you. So this is the last one.

per·son/ˈpərsən/
Noun:

A human being regarded as an individual.
Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

So again...

Do you dispute:

1) That it is human?
2) It is alive?

If you do not dispute either of the above, then it is a human being and by definition a person. To be clear, that doesn't mean the LEGAL definition is the same. Because LEGALLY it is whatever the people who wrote the law say it is.

 

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tff....it was the same logic you used, but you won't touch this one because it shows your comment is....well....you fill in the blanks

...as i predicted

 

[PostmodernProphet]

to grant one human being rights as a person and to deny it to another based upon an arbitrary standard is a violation of the Constitution.....

 

[Bonestorm]

Let me guess, you are going to continue with this nonsense all day? I am not going to reprint the dictionary for you. So this is the last one.

per·son/ˈpərsən/
Noun:

A human being regarded as an individual.
Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

So again...

Do you dispute:

1) That it is human?
2) It is alive?

If you do not dispute either of the above, then it is a human being and by definition a person. To be clear, that doesn't mean the LEGAL definition is the same. Because LEGALLY it is whatever the people who wrote the law say it is.

This is getting quite circular. What's the definition of individual?

 

[Bonestorm]

...as i predicted

Good job, Yurt. Your prognosticating abilities are unparalleled.

 

[apple0154]

Wrong. A child describes the offspring of parents. You are still your parents child, even though you are now an adult. You were their child at conception. You were their child as an infant, toddler, adolescent, teen, young adult, adult...

As I stated, genetically a fertilized human egg cell is a human life. If the term 'child' is too hard for you to comprehend, you can go with progeny.

I can't help but notice that you are too cowardly to answer the three questions. Why is that? Does it make it harder for you to support those who ram metal spikes into the childs head to 'abort' it?

Just because DNA determines something is composed of human material does not mean it is a human being. DNA from liver tissue does not prove a liver is a human being anymore than DNA from a fertilized cell proves that cell is a human being. Why can't you grasp such a basic thing?

It's like analyzing a chip of paint. While it may be determined what type of paint it is it can not be determined if it came from a wall, a door, a piece of furniture, a fence.....all that can be determined is it's paint. The same applies to a sample of DNA taken from a fertilized egg. All that can be determined is if it's human material.

Surely you can wrap your thick head around that.

 

[apple0154]

Tell you what, go round up several hundreds of thousand of toddlers and freeze them. When the authorities apprehend you, just tell them that the toddlers are no different from fertilized eggs and see how you make out.

:lol:

 

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This is getting quite circular. What's the definition of individual?

As I stated in the last one. I am done going to the dictionary for you. Why are you such a coward? Why can you not answer those simple little questions?

I have provided definitions for you as you requested? Why do you not answer the questions I ask? Too afraid?

 

[apple0154]

The term child bothers me because it isn't accurate. You use it to give emotional force to your argument. A fertilized egg is a fertilized egg. If you ask a couple who in trying to have a child through in vitro fertilization how many children they have, they aren't going to say they have about a dozen. Progeny is no more accurate.

According to Superfreak the couple should answer, "We have 12 children but don't confuse us with

.

Our children live in a dish.

 

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Just because DNA determines something is composed of human material does not mean it is a human being. DNA from liver tissue does not prove a liver is a human being anymore than DNA from a fertilized cell proves that cell is a human being. Why can't you grasp such a basic thing?

DNA determines it is HUMAN. Whether or not the person is alive or not is pretty easy to define. The DNA of liver tissue will tell you if it is from a human liver. Are you truly too fucking retarded to understand basic genetics? A fertilized cell has the COMPLETE genetic mapping of the human being. Period. Genetics PROVES this. The Human Genome project FINISHED mapping the human genetic code.

It's like analyzing a chip of paint. While it may be determined what type of paint it is it can not be determined if it came from a wall, a door, a piece of furniture, a fence.....all that can be determined is it's paint. The same applies to a sample of DNA taken from a fertilized egg. All that can be determined is if it's human material.

actually, if you have the paint sample and also have samples from the wall, door, furniture, you most certainly CAN tell which it came from.

Just as if you have a human liver cell you can tell not only that it is human, but also WHICH human it came from. Seriously, you are truly ignorant on genetics.

 

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Good job, Yurt. Your prognosticating abilities are unparalleled.

Your ability to avoid actually answering questions is also unparallelled.

 

[Bonestorm]

As I stated in the last one. I am done going to the dictionary for you. Why are you such a coward? Why can you not answer those simple little questions?

I have provided definitions for you as you requested? Why do you not answer the questions I ask? Too afraid?

Hilarious. Let me show you what I have:

in·di·vid·u·al   [in-duh-vij-oo-uhl] Show IPA
noun
1. a single human being, as distinguished from a group.
2. a person: a strange individual.
3. a distinct, indivisible entity; a single thing, being, instance, or item.
4. a group considered as a unit.
5. Biology .a. a single organism capable of independent existence. b. a member of a compound organism or colony.

A fertilized egg doesn't qualify.

 

[apple0154]

Again, please provide evidence to suggest they lack the genetic coding. Since it is not difficult to grasp, surely you have the data you are using to support your beliefs.

I have supplied supporting data. While there is no direct evidence we witness children being born with severe defects and know 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort. It's both logical and reasonable to conclude many of those eggs lack the necessary genetic coding.

Again, just because it DIES, does not change the FACT that it is human. Having defects does not dehumanize the child. It means they have defects. Many survive birth with defects. Many as you stated, do not. It doesn't change the fact they are human.

Obviously the ones that survive are human. What about the other 50%?

LMAO... you are truly devoted in your dehumanization effort. As for the video... they are blocked now at work. So no, I have not seen it.

The dehumanizing is being done by the anti-abortionists. Judging a woman the same as a fertilized egg while not knowing if the egg even contains the necessary components to become a human being is utterly dehumanizing the woman.

 

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Hilarious. Let me show you what I have:

A fertilized egg doesn't qualify.

Hilarious is right. your determination to dehumanize the child is sad, but amusing.

Note... a fertilized egg does fit the 1st, 2nd and 3rd definitions above.

Note 2... a new born is also not capable of an independent existence. It too must be nurtured or it will die. Same for a toddler. But let me guess, you believe in the magic human fairy don't you? There is some magical time that a fairy appears and suddenly turns it human. Please define this magical time for us.

 

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I have supplied supporting data. While there is no direct evidence we witness children being born with severe defects and know 50% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort. It's both logical and reasonable to conclude many of those eggs lack the necessary genetic coding.

ROFLMAO... your own site stated that spontaneous abortions didn't normally occur because of the GENES. You fucking retard, try READING your own links.

Obviously the ones that survive are human. What about the other 50%?

those would be dead humans. Not that hard.

The dehumanizing is being done by the anti-abortionists.

Wrong.

Judging a woman the same as a fertilized egg while not knowing if the egg even contains the necessary components to become a human being is utterly dehumanizing the woman.

In the above you simply are injecting your myths into the story to make it something it is not.

 

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ROFLMAO... your own site stated that spontaneous abortions didn't normally occur because of the GENES. You fucking retard, try READING your own links.



those would be dead humans. Not that hard.



Wrong.



In the above you simply are injecting your myths into the story to make it something it is not.

You're clearly out of control, and are hyperventilating. Go sit down somewhere.

 

[Bonestorm]

Hilarious is right. your determination to dehumanize the child is sad, but amusing.

Note... a fertilized egg does fit the 1st, 2nd and 3rd definitions above.

Maybe the third, but not the first or second.

Note 2... a new born is also not capable of an independent existence. It too must be nurtured or it will die. Same for a toddler. But let me guess, you believe in the magic human fairy don't you? There is some magical time that a fairy appears and suddenly turns it human. Please define this magical time for us.

There is no dispute that newborns and toddlers are children. The question is whether a fertilized egg fits the definition. It doesn't. There are various stages in the development of a fertilized egg to a child. The magical time when it becomes a child is birth.

 

[apple0154]

thanks... I know that spontaneous abortions occur. But your site doesn't proclaim what you state.

For example it says :
"It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant.

How can something die if not first ALIVE?

But it is not capable of "carrying on". Carrying on the processes of life and that's the definition of organism and a necessity in order for it to be classified as a human being. The cell divides but is incapable of continuing. It is defective. It is missing the components necessary to carry on the processes of life.

that quote is filled with nonsense. Again, just because defects are present doesn't mean it isn't human. Some defects are indeed sufficient to cause death. It doesn't change the fact that is was human.

How do we know that? Do you know if the 50% of fertilized cells all had the necessary components to carry on the processes of life?

Obviously you fail to comprehend what YOUR OWN LINK stated:

Most miscarriages are caused by chromosome problems that make it impossible for the baby to develop. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother or father's genes.

So it was unable to carry on the processes of life.

Other possible causes for miscarriage include:

Drug and alcohol abuse
Exposure to environmental toxins
Hormone problems
Infection
Obesity
Physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs
Problem with the body's immune response
Serious body-wide ( systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes)
Smoking"

Oops... it ISNT the genetic mapping that is normally the cause of spontaneous abortions. Guess your own site just blew you out of the water. That has to be embarrassing for you.

Sure, that's why people spend thousands of dollars on IVF. After treatment they go to the bar and then for a hamburger and fries.

Try educating yourself. Science most certainly CAN tell that genetic mapping is present in a fertilized egg. It has reached the point where they are capable of gene splicing. You are 100% incorrect to state that Science cannot prove someone is human. My god you are retarded.

Watch the video. You are sorely mistaken as far as what science knows and can determine. The latest guesstimate is there are approximately 20,000 genes and science has a basic understanding of a handful and even less understanding of how they interact with each other.

When you get home watch the video. You'll realize just how little science does know regarding genes.

On that note it's siesta time.

 

[Bonestorm]

Actually, SF, this whole argument is kinda silly and relying on dictionary definitions isn't going to resolve it. So go right ahead and insist that a fertilized egg is a "child."