PostmodernProphet
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oh I love visual aides.....
AZ Indian Tribe That Controls 75 Miles of Border Won’t Allow TRUMP WALL on their Land
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danielpalos
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just a capitalist of the right, pandering to the masses for the sake of political profit.
building a wall is a waste of money; we need to solve our illegal problem via Capitalism, not Socialism.
building a wall is a waste of money; we need to solve our illegal problem via Capitalism, not Socialism.
philly rabbit
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The tribes should have united (like the Arab tribes do against outsiders) then fought the U.S. They were too busy though, fighting each other.
danielpalos
Verified User
A market friendly work visa could have been a boon, for the Natives.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I prefer visual aids.....
christiefan915
Catalyst
Moving the goalposts...
U.S. Border Patrol agent Brandon Judd advised Donald Trump's campaign. Judd leads a union, the National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Trump and has advised the transition team. Trump initially said his wall would stretch the length of the whole border - more than 1,900 miles - which loom very large in the public imagination, though he has since said the wall could be smaller.
JUDD: The wall is going to be absolutely effective in certain locations. We do not need a wall along the entire 2,000 miles of border.
INSKEEP: I guess we should remember there are already walls, as well as fences along hundreds of miles of the border. And when you say strategic locations, you put those barriers in places that are easy to cross and in other places you let the harsh landscape do the job for you. Is that right?
JUDD: That is correct.
INSKEEP: And so you would continue with that strategy, maybe just with a little more construction?
JUDD: That is correct.
INSKEEP: It sounds to me like what you are hoping comes out of this administration is relatively subtle compared to the rhetoric of the campaign. You'd like some more people to be detained rather than let go. You'd like some more construction on the border where there's already a lot of construction. You want tweaks to the big policy, rather than a gigantic wall or some gigantic sea change.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/50240...ion-confers-with-trump-on-securing-the-border
U.S. Border Patrol agent Brandon Judd advised Donald Trump's campaign. Judd leads a union, the National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Trump and has advised the transition team. Trump initially said his wall would stretch the length of the whole border - more than 1,900 miles - which loom very large in the public imagination, though he has since said the wall could be smaller.
JUDD: The wall is going to be absolutely effective in certain locations. We do not need a wall along the entire 2,000 miles of border.
INSKEEP: I guess we should remember there are already walls, as well as fences along hundreds of miles of the border. And when you say strategic locations, you put those barriers in places that are easy to cross and in other places you let the harsh landscape do the job for you. Is that right?
JUDD: That is correct.
INSKEEP: And so you would continue with that strategy, maybe just with a little more construction?
JUDD: That is correct.
INSKEEP: It sounds to me like what you are hoping comes out of this administration is relatively subtle compared to the rhetoric of the campaign. You'd like some more people to be detained rather than let go. You'd like some more construction on the border where there's already a lot of construction. You want tweaks to the big policy, rather than a gigantic wall or some gigantic sea change.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/50240...ion-confers-with-trump-on-securing-the-border
PostmodernProphet
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danielpalos
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Nope; just indulging right wing fantasy, because we lost the election.
We are not at war. We don't need a Wall. We need Capitalism to solve our illegal problem at the federal borders, not more national and more social, public policies.
We are not at war. We don't need a Wall. We need Capitalism to solve our illegal problem at the federal borders, not more national and more social, public policies.
Shut up idiot.
We decimated them with biological warfare, broken treaties and general treachery.
danielpalos
Verified User
what a difference a market friendly work visa would have made.
Even the Romans would not have been worse off.
I have no doubt that Trump will build a few miles of wall and point to that as a huge accomplishment.
His supporters don't really care about facts, they will be happy to accept that as fulfillment of his promise, as long as he keeps alluding to racism and such.
His supporters don't really care about facts, they will be happy to accept that as fulfillment of his promise, as long as he keeps alluding to racism and such.
danielpalos
Verified User
i think we should actually solve our illegal problem at the federal borders, and make money, at the same time. some on the left call it, merely using Capitalism, for all of its worth.
A simple Google and 3 minutes worth of reading and you could educate yourself, moron. Yet, you remain willfully ignorant.
What a fool.
philly rabbit
Verified User
I wish this would happen to you when you're out on your street corner.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Please don't project your inadequacies on me, thanks.
Were you seriously thinking like a "Great Wall of China" along the US border ?....It ain't the 1300's you realize.....
christiefan915
Catalyst
No, trump was talking like the great wall of China built with modern equipment.
"During his Super Tuesday press conference in Florida, Trump repeated his promise to build a wall of his own along the US-Mexico border—something he famously wants Mexico to pay for. Trump described this task as "easy."
"The Great Wall of China, built 2,000 years ago, is 13,000 miles, folks, and they didn't have Caterpillar tractors!" Trump told the country. "They didn't have cranes, they didn't have excavation equipment."
"We have all of the materials," he said. "We can do that so beautifully."
Yeah, I heard about that.....Trump also said if he had a brick for every lie Hillary told he have the material needed too....so are we to
assume its gonna be a 'brick' wall....???
I must have the part of about it being like the great wall of China built with modern equipment....of course I don't usually listen to Maddows news program....
You just try so hard its difficult not to admire your posts no matter how lame they are........
#77
Let us please be unambiguously clear on this point.
It's a bit confusing, because candidate Trump campaigned so much without a teleprompter, until he got his foot caught in his mouth, and his campaign manager forced him into it.
So there are various iterations of Trump's great wall.
BUT !!
Trump clearly specified the purpose of the wall was to solve the illegal immigration problem of undocumented persons streaming into the U.S. from South of our border; and that Trump's wall would stretch from coast to coast.
For it to solve this illegal immigration avenue, it would have to be virtually impenetrable to desperate persons willing to emigrate illegally.
A stack of rocks three feet high isn't gunna cut it.
And in fact a wall as tall as the Great Wall might not be enough.
If built in Trump's most lavish description (not the scaled back characterizations he's provided since) adequate to the task Trump designated; it would be an extremely expensive infrastructure project.
And the irony of that is; the cure may be worse than the disease. Meaning, whatever economic detriment illegal aliens cause might cost $less than the cost to build the wall.
Does it really make sense to spend $100.oo to lock up your $50.oo $bill?
If it all went as promised: - Mexico is gunna pay for it -
it might make economic sense for the U.S.
I don't think Mexico could pay for it, even if it wanted to. And it surely does NOT want to; because so much of what illegal aliens earn is sent back to their native nations; to the benefit of those native nations.
Let us please be unambiguously clear on this point.
It's a bit confusing, because candidate Trump campaigned so much without a teleprompter, until he got his foot caught in his mouth, and his campaign manager forced him into it.
So there are various iterations of Trump's great wall.
BUT !!
Trump clearly specified the purpose of the wall was to solve the illegal immigration problem of undocumented persons streaming into the U.S. from South of our border; and that Trump's wall would stretch from coast to coast.
For it to solve this illegal immigration avenue, it would have to be virtually impenetrable to desperate persons willing to emigrate illegally.
A stack of rocks three feet high isn't gunna cut it.
And in fact a wall as tall as the Great Wall might not be enough.
If built in Trump's most lavish description (not the scaled back characterizations he's provided since) adequate to the task Trump designated; it would be an extremely expensive infrastructure project.
And the irony of that is; the cure may be worse than the disease. Meaning, whatever economic detriment illegal aliens cause might cost $less than the cost to build the wall.
Does it really make sense to spend $100.oo to lock up your $50.oo $bill?
If it all went as promised: - Mexico is gunna pay for it -
it might make economic sense for the U.S.
I don't think Mexico could pay for it, even if it wanted to. And it surely does NOT want to; because so much of what illegal aliens earn is sent back to their native nations; to the benefit of those native nations.
christiefan915
Catalyst
It's not about what the wall is made of, it's about how all of trump's campaign promises are being broken.
Here's what he said first. Trump told MSNBC: "What we’re doing is we have 2,000 miles, right? 2,000 miles. It’s long but not 13,000 miles like they have in China. Of the 2,000, we don’t need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers … and I’m taking it price per square foot and a price per square, you know, per mile."
But yesterday in an interview with Brandon Judd: "... up to an additional 15% more should be built, totaling around 200 or 300 miles of additional reinforcement, he said Thursday."
So this 1000-mile wall that trump promised is now whittled down to 200 miles. I doubt that any trump broken promises matter to you, though.