Auto loans soar in comparison to housing bubble

what is happening is that the credit companies report whatever is on your statement. Say you have a credit limit of 10000 you pay of every month. You pay in full but you also use 9000-10000 every month. On your statement it will always show a high utilization which means a lower credit score. If you know when your closing date is (statement printing date) you can pay before that to make sure your preferred balance shows.
That's me. That explains the 771.
 
Any one here do work with this type of stuff? I don't see how auto loans would have nearly the same economic impact that housing did but seems it could be a detriment to economic growth if it is a real issue.




Auto Loan Fraud Soars in a Parallel to the Housing Bubble


Borrower fraud in U.S. auto loans is surging, and may approach levels seen in mortgages during last decade’s housing bubble, according to a startup firm that helps lenders sniff out bogus borrowers.

As many as 1 percent of U.S. car loan applications include some type of material misrepresentation, executives at data analytics firm Point Predictive estimated based on reports from banks, finance companies and others. Lenders’ losses from deception may double this year to $6 billion from 2015, the firm forecast.

Those fraud rates are coming closer to the over-1-percent level for mortgages in 2009, when the financial crisis was boiling and more lenders started reporting incidents to one another, Frank McKenna, chief fraud strategist at the firm, said in an interview. While those losses will sting lenders, the impact on the overall economy will likely be much more muted than with the housing crisis, just because there’s less car debt outstanding.

Even so, “We see an extraordinary amount of parallels between the auto and mortgage industries, in terms of the rising levels of hidden fraud,” McKenna said. For home loans, it’s hard to know how widespread the deception was before 2009, because lenders often didn’t report information to one another and may not have even investigated incidents of probable lying much on their own, McKenna said.

Dealer Fraud

Point Predictive has put together a consortium of lenders to share data about dealers and loans. The group, now 13 strong, met at the headquarters of Santander Consumer USA in Dallas last month. Common types of fraud include borrowers lying about their income and their jobs, including falsifying paystubs. Loan applications can also include bogus information about the type of car being financed, or its value. The deception can be perpetrated by consumers, or car dealers, or both.

Auto lenders including banks and finance companies are concerned about consumer fraud, and they’re often even more concerned about fraud among dealers, said Kimberly Sutherland, senior director for fraud and identity management strategy at LexisNexis Risk Solutions in Alpharetta, Georgia. Dealers have an incentive to complete sales, and may better know how to tweak paperwork to get bad loans funded than a regular consumer, said Sutherland, whose firm helps lenders identify risks in their portfolios.

About 3 percent of dealers can be responsible for all of a lender’s fraudulent applications, Point Predictive said in a February report. Losses from auto loan fraud this year will likely be $4 billion to $6 billion, up from $2 billion to $3 billion in 2015, the firm said.

During the housing bubble, as few as 3 percent of mortgage brokers helped perpetrate most or all of the reported fraud, Point Predictive said. Loans that required little or no documentation allowed borrowers and brokers to lie about employment, salary, and other key facts about their financial condition. One borrower’s application for a mortgage said she made $6,900 a month, when she actually made about $3,286.


Trouble is growing in auto loans. The total amount of the debt outstanding has risen more than 50 percent since the end of 2010, a rapid increase. Delinquencies among subprime auto loan borrowers are jumping, and in the fourth quarter of 2016, there was over $1.1 billion of consumer car debt that lenders could not collect, Point Predictive said. In a Federal Reserve survey released Monday, banks said they had tightened their underwriting standards for car loans.

But that won’t necessarily translate into a repeat of the mortgage crisis, because the auto financing market is so much smaller. There was around $1.1 trillion of car loans outstanding at the end of last year, compared with around $10.3 trillion of residential mortgages.

There are cities in the U.S. where borrowers are more likely to default on their car loans within a few months of buying their cars, often a sign of a loan obtained fraudulently. Those “hot spots” include Fort Myers, Florida; Salem, Massachusetts; Gatesville, Texas; Miami; and Laurel, Maryland, Point Predictive said.

DBRS Inc., a ratings firm that assigns grades to bonds backed by auto loans, similarly warned of auto lending fraud in a recent report. Cars can be relocated and sold in used-car markets before lenders repossess them, making vehicles an “appealing” target “to those looking to fraudulently apply for auto loans.”

Some car lenders have been shoring up their collections processes. Santander Consumer USA, one of the biggest makers of subprime auto loans, stopped accepting credit card payments from its borrowers, for example. Other lenders are using sophisticated devices that can track a vehicle, or even turn off an ignition, making it easier to repossess a car.


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I am sure fraud isn't new in the car loan business. But as mentioned it is easy to repo.

I don't think it could sink the economy although auto purchases are looked at closely as a sign of economic strength
 
That's exactly why. Miss your payment by an hour and the lender can take your car. With a house the process takes months.

I had a client who owned a large used car dealership, and he readily made loans to folks with bad credit. As part of the deal they had to pay for the lo-jack or whatever the device was that located the car, plus an outrageous interest rate. Some were on a weekly payment schedule. If the payment was due on, say, Thursday and was late, Friday morning they'd pick up the car. At that point all of the past payments were voided and he'd resell the car to another bad credit customer.

Those kind of guys aren't in the business of selling cars, they're in the business of collecting a large down payment (normally income tax returns) and 75 bucks a week afterward. The car is just a means to an end.
 
I had such crappy credit scores after 15 years of no credit activity that I was forced to use a secured credit card. I usually have to pay the damn thing off twice a month so it's still useful for purchasing. I use it for business purchases so I quickly reach the limit of 3K every month. I''m hoping this looks good for my credit scores, but I wonder if the credit people would rather see me carry a balance for some time instead of constantly paying it off. Do you know what creditors prefer?

After hovering in the high 600's to low 700's for years, decades actually, I started doing what I said earlier. Only losers carry a credit card balance. If you get strapped, which happened to me recently, take out a home equity loan, pay off the card, then pay off the equity loan as fast as possible.
 
Those kind of guys aren't in the business of selling cars, they're in the business of collecting a large down payment (normally income tax returns) and 75 bucks a week afterward. The car is just a means to an end.
Good! There's guys out there making deadbeats' lives more miserable than they already are. Not that I'd want to be in that business but I'm on the used car dealers' side here.
In my bidness if someone walks out the door without paying after they signed an estimate that's no different than shoplifting. From my experience the overwhelming majority of deadbeats have no intention to ever pay.
 
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