Attack on gun rights begin anew~

Good Luck said:
Because they DO have mortars, shoulder fired rockets, etc. The scenario is, supposedly, a full blown revolution, right? Not just you pulling a Loughner from long range....

BTW: there isn't a 7.62X54R rifle made with the MOA to shoot 3/4 mile consistently. (Not to mention that, regardless of the rifle, only about 1 shooter in 100,000 can shoot 1000 meters consistently - and that takes CONSTANT (daily) practice.)
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That's your scenrio, so it only fits what you want to imagine.
You seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of those items available and that the majority left, are going to know how to use them.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
That's your scenrio, so it only fits what you want to imagine.
You seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of those items available and that the majority left, are going to know how to use them.
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There are massive amounts of cannons and mortars available. Many in the military (against whom anyone rebelling would hopefully be prepared to fight) are trained in at least the latter.
 
Old Fezzywig said:
There are massive amounts of cannons and mortars available. Many in the military (against whom anyone rebelling would hopefully be prepared to fight) are trained in at least the latter.
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And if everything falls apart, after a while you might run into the problem of transporting them.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Although he is strongly opposed to most gun control measures, Levy said in this case “as a policy matter” restricting access to high-capacity magazines such as the 33-round one used by Loughner makes sense.
“It may stop a few of these looney tunes,” Levy said. While saying that he saw it as a “close call," he said that a restriction of “10 to 15 rounds makes sense.”
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A law like this will do absolutely nothing except make immediate felons out of otherwise legal gun owners, myself included. I will not give up my high capacity mags.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD7zEjt_VR8"]YouTube - Army Pro Tips CPL Travis Tomasie Speed Reloads[/ame]
 
You don't need high cap magazines or even an auto loader.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw[/ame]
 
Hell, even a single action can be fast for 6 rounds.

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Both videos are very impressive. Thanks guys. I do quite a bit of pistol shooting but not for speed. I have a Ruger 22 pistol I use when hunting squirrels with a dog and I shoot my 44 mag long range....well, for a 44 mag. :)

Dadgum Winter...made me have to edit here...All three are great. ;)
 
leaningright said:
Both videos are very impressive. Thanks guys. I do quite a bit of pistol shooting but not for speed. I have a Ruger 22 pistol I use when hunting squirrels with a dog and I shoot my 44 mag long range....well, for a 44 mag. :)

Dadgum Winter...made me have to edit here...All three are great. ;)
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i don't want to take anything away from autoloaders, but I love my revolvers. There is a lot to be said for them. There are loads that won't work in a slabsider, and they are better with heavier calibers.
 
Old Fezzywig said:
You've never seen the Finnish competition Mosins have you? Those are EXTREMELY accurate.
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Yes, I have. They are decent out to about 800 meters. I wouldn't depend on them beyond that, personally. 3/4 mile is over 1200 meters.

In fact nothing in 7.62 is truly dependable beyond 900-1000 meters (except is perfect shooting conditions - which never, ever occur in combat). That's what 50 cal's are for.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
That's your scenrio, so it only fits what you want to imagine.
You seem to believe that there's an unlimited amount of those items available and that the majority left, are going to know how to use them.
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So what is YOUR scenario?

And while there may not be an UNLIMITED amount of those items available, there are a damned site big fucking pile of them available. Shoulder fired rockets (LAWs and the like) grenade launchers, and small bore mortars are all squad level infantry weapons. (Any idea how many squads are in a standard infantry regiment? Any idea how many infantry regiments, both regular forces and ready reserves, are scattered all over the U.S.?)

Every soldier in the Army and Marine Corps receive training in use of LAWs or some equivalent in shoulder fired rockets. That is EVERY jack soldier, from infantryman to Chaplain's clerk. Every infantryman (which includes all the Marine Corps) receives training in the use of smaller bore mortars. (which are not that big or hard to pack around, even up to 60mm) About 30% get training in grenade launchers.

The thing is the military takes snipers VERY seriously, due to bad experience in recent conflicts. As such, the ability to react quickly to take out a sniper using counter battery fire is part of regular infantry training.

So, sorry to tell you, while the supply may not be unlimited, there will be plenty around for a long time to make your day miserable if you decide to play sniper against a U.S. military unit. And there will also be plenty left who know how to use them.
 
Good Luck said:
Yes, I have. They are decent out to about 800 meters. I wouldn't depend on them beyond that, personally. 3/4 mile is over 1200 meters.

In fact nothing in 7.62 is truly dependable beyond 900-1000 meters (except is perfect shooting conditions - which never, ever occur in combat). That's what 50 cal's are for.
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800 meters is still a long way out. In an urban combat situation, a sniper could be between 600 and 700 meters out, take some shots to have everyone ducking for cover, and vanish. A few days of being harried by that sort of action would demoralize a better equiped superior force.
 
Good Luck said:
So what is YOUR scenario?

And while there may not be an UNLIMITED amount of those items available, there are a damned site big fucking pile of them available. Shoulder fired rockets (LAWs and the like) grenade launchers, and small bore mortars are all squad level infantry weapons. (Any idea how many squads are in a standard infantry regiment? Any idea how many infantry regiments, both regular forces and ready reserves, are scattered all over the U.S.?)

Every soldier in the Army and Marine Corps receive training in use of LAWs or some equivalent in shoulder fired rockets. That is EVERY jack soldier, from infantryman to Chaplain's clerk. Every infantryman (which includes all the Marine Corps) receives training in the use of smaller bore mortars. (which are not that big or hard to pack around, even up to 60mm) About 30% get training in grenade launchers.

The thing is the military takes snipers VERY seriously, due to bad experience in recent conflicts. As such, the ability to react quickly to take out a sniper using counter battery fire is part of regular infantry training.

So, sorry to tell you, while the supply may not be unlimited, there will be plenty around for a long time to make your day miserable if you decide to play sniper against a U.S. military unit. And there will also be plenty left who know how to use them.
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After all your ranting, the gist of your disagreement finally surfaces.

Where in the hell did I ever mention a US Military Unit?
 
Good Luck said:
Yes, I have. They are decent out to about 800 meters. I wouldn't depend on them beyond that, personally. 3/4 mile is over 1200 meters.

In fact nothing in 7.62 is truly dependable beyond 900-1000 meters (except is perfect shooting conditions - which never, ever occur in combat). That's what 50 cal's are for.
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I suppose we could sit here and debate the merits of both statements ad infinitum. I personally would rely on the competion and Finnish Mosins up to 1000 yards. Beyond that... yeah that's a bit of a strech for a medium caliber rifle.
 
Old Fezzywig said:
I suppose we could sit here and debate the merits of both statements ad infinitum. I personally would rely on the competion and Finnish Mosins up to 1000 yards. Beyond that... yeah that's a bit of a strech for a medium caliber rifle.
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True. Everyone has their favorites.

Out of curiosity, what ammo do your use for 7.62X54R?
 
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