Athiests Obviously Believe in SOMETHING!

[BRUTALITOPS]

Yes, I know. People who are living in denial, are often offended that someone is exposing their lie. They can't help but to come here and put up the best defense they can! I fully expected they would. And again, this makes my point about the psychology of humans in denial, better than I could have ever done on my own. I thank you for taking your time to do that!

so in retard dixie land you can make whatever claim you want, and anyone that corrects you and tells you how wrong you are means that they are admitting how right you are. Is this how you've had to reduce yourself to winning arguments in your mind dixie? that's pretty sad.

So I suppose when we argue with you over how 1/3rd exists, we are actually denying the truth about how 1/3rd does not exist..

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv8bpw4UvkQ"]YouTube- Retard Alert![/ame]

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Yes, Dixie, God created this entire massive universe that you are to stupid to even begin comprehending 13 billion years ago just so he could pop up 4k years ago and tell some glorified apes how to live. I guess I'm the self-centered one here.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

SM, you should at least read your own link.

"But keep in mind that this data should not be taken too seriously. IQ testing has been widely criticized as being too generalized, and NOT a valid assessment of anything too important. A stunning example of this is the case of Richard Feynman, one of the greatest physicists of all time, whose genius was on the same level as Albert Einstein. Feynman scored 125 (a bit above average, but nothing spectacular) on an IQ test he took during childhood."

After the scores on the IQ test pass the 120 range it is not a good indicator of how successful a person will be. Before that, it matters a great deal.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well I never said that 1/3 didn't exist. I readily admitted that 1/3 is a fractional representation of value.

But I understand, you have to continue heaping on the denigration and insults, because that is how you can "refute" the points you've already helped me prove. You see, if you can destroy my credibility and reputation, then it doesn't matter if I am nailing your ass with the truth and have you pegged to the tee! If you can fill the thread up with this sort of nonsense, maybe people won't bother to read earlier posts, where you actually made the very points I knew you would for me, and exposed your own pathetic denial of the truth. I can't say I really blame you, that must have been embarrassing for you. And we have really lazy posters here, they tend to just read what someone claims and take their word for it, so maybe you'll have some luck discrediting me, and thereby "refuting" my point that way. But in the end, you have to live with the truth, and you have to accept that what I said was 100% correct, and you only succeeded in reinforcing it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yes, Dixie, God created this entire massive universe that you are to stupid to even begin comprehending 13 billion years ago just so he could pop up 4k years ago and tell some glorified apes how to live. I guess I'm the self-centered one here.

It's good that you realize it!!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I don't know why you would, I didn't argue that you would. I am only making an argument that humans inherently believe in some spiritual entity or force greater than self,

1. It is not necessarily inherent. Correlation does not equal causation; just because a large amount of primitive people in prehistoric times believed in the supernatural doesn't mean it's an inherent part of human nature. Religion is just a collection of retarded evidenceless explanations for things that had unkown natural causes and post-hoc rationalizations for why people felt morality. Since humans are tribal and center around authority, a lot of these post-hoc rationalizations centered around some authority figure that some nutjob felt in a spiritual delusion at one time. Others did not, but almost all of them were wiped out when the Christians and Muslims gained power and started killing everyone who didn't agree with them.

2. The universe is bigger than me.

and this is what makes us different from chimpanzee's, whom we share 96% of our DNA with.

There are plenty of wrong concepts that Chimpanzees cannot grasp. That does not make these wrong concepts right.

Chimpanzees do definitely have a their own sense of morality though. Where does this come from?

As for religious philosophy, you'll need to consult people of that particular faith, as to the "why's and why not's" because I don't really know the answers there. I will say this, it makes some kind of logical sense, that if you renounced a real God, it probably wouldn't be conducive with good things happening for you. Just saying.

Why would I want to punish someone because they didn't believe I exist? If you didn't believe I existed I wouldn't go over to your house and keep you in my dungeon, torturing you for all time. But that's the God you worship and call the center of all compassion in the universe.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Well I never said that 1/3 didn't exist. I readily admitted that 1/3 is a fractional representation of value.

With classical real numbers, your right, it's impossible to just sit there and scribble out the 3's infinitely. But certainly you can grasp the concept that if they did they did continue infinitely they would equal 1/3. Inserting a ... into 1.33333... is just a lazy way of saying "yeah, that goes on forever". This is the basic concept of hyperreal numbers, the use of which makes it so that all fractions and rational numbers can be represented in decimal form and other bases (although it's still often more convenient to use fractions). It's important to note that hypperreal numbers are a relatively recent innovation in math, and that people had been puzzling and being confused over the question you've been confused over until the 18th century. It makes sense in math, I promise you, although it does require the concept of the limit, which is taught once you get into calculus, to fully grasp. From now on, just think 1.33333... = 1/3 and you'll have a lot easier time.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

You have a false concept of God. Why would an omnipotent God express the human emotion of "caring" whether or not you "worship" it? Does God have feelings like a human being? You are attempting to apply humanistic criteria to a spiritual force, completely ambivalent to human emotion and need. Granted, many "religious" believers do have faith that this entity "loves" them or has "compassion" for them, but this is simply fallible human perspectives of trying to comprehend something they are compelled to have faith in.

If God exists and is just as likely to believe or feel anything as anything else, it can be easily proven that worshiping him is pointless, and that it is not only unlikely that worshiping him will lead to you getting any reward in the afterlife, it's literally impossible, since deriving the possibility of you being rewarded in the after life requires dividing the probability of God existing by the amount of possible variations in God, and if the amount of possible variations of God is infinity, that value is zero, no matter how likely it is that God exists.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

If God exists and is just as likely to believe or feel anything as anything else, it can be easily proven that worshiping him is pointless, and that it is not only unlikely that worshiping him will lead to you getting any reward in the afterlife, it's literally impossible, since deriving the possibility of you being rewarded in the after life requires dividing the probability of God existing by the amount of possible variations in God, and if the amount of possible variations of God is infinity, that value is zero, no matter how likely it is that God exists.

Wow, I bet your head hurts after all that thinking and pontificating. Again, you certainly seem to be doing a LOT of thinking and pontificating on something you don't believe to be real. An unusually inordinate amount of time, if you truly believe as you say. Thanks once again for illustrating my point better than I ever could have done alone!!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

1. It is not necessarily inherent. Correlation does not equal causation; just because a large amount of primitive people in prehistoric times believed in the supernatural doesn't mean it's an inherent part of human nature.

Well that would be fine if that were the only point I made, but it wasn't even remotely close. The point was, the human species has ALWAYS had a profound connection with spiritual belief, from as far back as we can dig up their bones, this is the case, all the way up to the present, where 95% of the species believes in something greater than self. In any other scientific observation of a species behavior, this would indicate something "inherent" in the species, and undeniably an attribute required by the species. You've failed to explain why that wouldn't be the case in this example of human behavior. The thing is, you can't explain it, because nothing you can come up with will defy logic and explain it. This is why you all must resort to personal attacks, insults, put downs, and reinforcing each other's stupidity with pontification from other Atheists.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Wow, I bet your head hurts after all that thinking and pontificating. Again, you certainly seem to be doing a LOT of thinking and pontificating on something you don't believe to be real. An unusually inordinate amount of time, if you truly believe as you say. Thanks once again for illustrating my point better than I ever could have done alone!!

That's two points in a row you've given non-responses to.

People who believed the solar system revolved around the sun didn't believe the model was real, and did a lot of thinking and pontificating on the subject.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

That's two points in a row you've given non-responses to.

People who believed the solar system revolved around the sun didn't believe the model was real, and did a lot of thinking and pontificating on the subject.

That's because you are wanting to argue points of religious philosophy, and that isn't what this thread is about, nor what I wish to make an argument for. I realize you think I am a Christian, and you probably thought you could derail the thread by getting me to jump into a debate with you about religious tenants and such, but that's not going to happen.

As for your other comment about people not believing the model of the solar system revolving around the sun.... What in the fuck? lol

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Well that would be fine if that were the only point I made, but it wasn't even remotely close. The point was, the human species has ALWAYS had a profound connection with spiritual belief, from as far back as we can dig up their bones,

People have believed a lot of wrong things since the beginning of species. The ability to create and understand theories means your going to come up with a lot of wrong ones. The only thing we can be certain of in life is that we're wrong.

this is the case, all the way up to the present, where 95% of the species believes in something greater than self.

If all the other kids were jumping off a bridge, little Dix, would you jump off as well?

In any other scientific observation of a species behavior, this would indicate something "inherent" in the species, and undeniably an attribute required by the species.

And the thing inherent that it indicates is that the human species is adept at creating theories that explain the nature of the universe.

You've failed to explain why that wouldn't be the case in this example of human behavior.

I have, several times, Dixie. This, IMHO, just goes to further prove that people don't believe things because of their rationalizations, they have values and then come up with post-hoc rationalizations for why they believe in it. These post-hoc rationalizations are not actually that important to their belief in it, and defeating it will not harm their belief in the value they hold. At the very best they will just construct another flimsy argument until they can present the old, already demolished one yet again. And arguing with you makes that apparent time after time after time after time.

The thing is, you can't explain it, because nothing you can come up with will defy logic and explain it.

I already have presented an attempt at explaining it, but, again, that is not relevant to the root of your belief in God. You don't honestly care about this idiotic argument and it's pointless for me to debate you about it.

This is why you all must resort to personal attacks, insults, put downs, and reinforcing each other's stupidity with pontification from other Atheists.

I've really only insulted you once and it wasn't central to my argument, therefore it wasn't an ad hominem and doesn't reduce the legitimacy of my point.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

As for your other comment about people not believing the model of the solar system revolving around the sun.... What in the fuck? lol

The point is obvious.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

People have believed a lot of wrong things since the beginning of species. The ability to create and understand theories means your going to come up with a lot of wrong ones. The only thing we can be certain of in life is that we're wrong.

This isn't about "believing the wrong thing" at all, I agree with you on that. This is about humankind's profound connection with spirituality, which is present in the species since inception, and remains fundamentally strong in the species to this day. I also agree, the one thing we can be certain of, is you will be wrong!

If all the other kids were jumping off a bridge, little Dix, would you jump off as well?

Wow, I just can't find a good counter-argument to that well thought out, intelligent and scientific response!

And the thing inherent that it indicates is that the human species is adept at creating theories that explain the nature of the universe.

No, the thing it indicates is an inherent connection to spirituality for as long as we have existed as a species.

I have, several times, Dixie. This, IMHO, just goes to further prove that people don't believe things because of their rationalizations, they have values and then come up with post-hoc rationalizations for why they believe in it. These post-hoc rationalizations are not actually that important to their belief in it, and defeating it will not harm their belief in the value they hold. At the very best they will just construct another flimsy argument until they can present the old, already demolished one yet again. And arguing with you makes that apparent time after time after time after time.

I know you probably understand what you're trying to say here, but I am completely lost. I am not sure what this has to do with the fact that humans are hard-wired to have spiritual belief, and have done so through all of the history of the species. I mean, you can simply dismiss this fact or 'explain' it away with some convoluted tripe like you just posted, but the scientific fact of the matter is still there to slap you upside your goofy head.

I already have presented an attempt at explaining it, but, again, that is not relevant to the root of your belief in God. You don't honestly care about this idiotic argument and it's pointless for me to debate you about it.

Yes, indeed it IS pointless debating it, so why do you continue to do that? That is what we are exploring here. That was the point I raised several times now... WHY do you continue to argue, pontificate, gesture, juxtapose, elaborate, and subject us to these arguments that are pointless? It makes no rational sense, unless you are a person in denial of the truth, trying to continue hiding from what you truly believe in your heart of hearts.

I've really only insulted you once and it wasn't central to my argument, therefore it wasn't an ad hominem and doesn't reduce the legitimacy of my point.

Well you've not really made any points, legitimate or otherwise. You keep wanting to misconstrue what is said, take it out of context, or change the debate entirely, by interjecting religious philosophy. When that fails, you will resort to the personal attacks and adhoms, you can't help it.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I am not sure what this has to do with the fact that humans are hard-wired to have spiritual belief

The fact that anyone at all does not hold a spiritual belief disproves your entire thesis.

Again, your thesis is silly, you don't honestly care about your thesis, you don't believe in God because of it, and if it were disproven you would still believe in God. It is not meaningful to discuss it.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I know you probably understand what you're trying to say here, but I am completely lost.

I am truly surprised, Dixie. I will try not to speak above a pre-school level education in future posts.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The fact is that if God came down from heaven and told Christians that the Muslims were right, it would not shake their faith. They do not care about evidence. If they did, they would present a rational justification for their belief, and if this justification were disproven, they would stop believing. The fact that they continue to believe after their justifications are disproven tells me that their justifications are not relevant to their belief. They are simply logical facades, presented so that the believer does not have to seem silly by saying something circular like "I believe because I believe".

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The fact that anyone at all does not hold a spiritual belief disproves your entire thesis.

Again, your thesis is silly, you don't honestly care about your thesis, you don't believe in God because of it, and if it were disproven you would still believe in God. It is not meaningful to discuss it.

It's not a "thesis" any more than it's a "theory" but you keep trying, maybe you'll get it some day!

Nothing has been disproved. I already stated that I don't believe in God, I know God. It's not meaningful to try and convince me God is not real, just as it would be not meaningful for me to try and convince you that your mother is not real. But this is the whole crux of the argument and point of the thread! Read the title again! You obviously do believe in something, or you wouldn't be spending this much time arguing the pointless with me! It's obviously something that is very important you hope to accomplish, but we know that it's not changing my mind, so what could it be? As I articulated earlier, it is the typical pattern followed by anyone who is in denial of the truth.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The fact is that if God came down from heaven and told Christians that the Muslims were right, it would not shake their faith. They do not care about evidence. If they did, they would present a rational justification for their belief, and if this justification were disproven, they would stop believing. The fact that they continue to believe after their justifications are disproven tells me that their justifications are not relevant to their belief. They are simply logical facades, presented so that the believer does not have to seem silly by saying something circular like "I believe because I believe".

Again, this is not a religious philosophy debate. I refuse to be roped into one, because I am not a "religious" person, and my argument/point has nothing to do with religious dogma or philosophy. You'll have to consult with someone more familiar with the particular religion you wish to bash, I can't help you much there. I know a little about Christianity, and I have read a little about Islam, but I am no expert in either, and I don't particularly accept that either is "right" or "wrong" or feel compelled to defend them.

I did say earlier, many Christians are living in denial just like many Atheists, they simply hide behind the facade of a religion, and in fact, use the Scriptures of their religion to justify their own denial. So this is NOT about "religious" beliefs, but rather, "spiritual" belief in something greater than self. If you can stick to THAT topic, we can have a discussion, if not, we can't. Simple as that!