Athiests Obviously Believe in SOMETHING!

Rana said:
Based on my own personal experience Atheist can't be judge by their appearance on an anonymous board. The ones I have met in life are very well adjusted, but maybe I just attract those kinds of people. You mirror your friends, like attracts like.

If god is God then she will not care what I believe, God is above all our trivialities in my belief. Why would such a being or force care what a mere human thinks of God? I don't care what a gnat feels about me, whether it likes me or not...and if you look at God as the parental type, then she will forgive me because I am her child and she must not have done a good enough job of teaching me...she didn't give me the information I needed to form a valid conclusion of her being. Why the mystery, why doesn't she just tell us, why do we need faith? It is all human invention.
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I'm only judging responses from people who claim to be Atheist, I am not judging them personally, I don't know them. I also didn't mean to imply that Atheists are generally not fun people to hang out with or be around, I am sorry if you took it that way. In fact, Atheists are some of the most fun, because they have no parameters for decadence and self-indulgence. When I said "unhappy, unfulfilled, searching" I wasn't talking about their outward persona, but their innermost feelings and thoughts.

I can't answer about why people need faith, I don't understand it myself. My personal relationship with what I refer to as God, is not dictated by faith, I am acutely aware of the presence in my everyday life, so there is no 'faith' required by me, it is a forthright knowledge and understanding. As I compared before, to your knowledge and understanding of your mother. Do you need faith to understand your mother is/was real?
 
Dixie said:
I am an Atheist." As if, we would have never known this unless you told us? You see, it was the most important thing you needed to say, not for us, but for yourself.
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Stop being stupid dixie. This is a thread about atheism and what they believe. Of course atheists are going to identify themselves in this thread. It's no different if a thread was started about libertarians and people came in to talk about what libertarianism is.
 
Dixie said:
Hmm.. I am having difficulty finding where I have insulted or denigrated anyone here. I simply pointed out the psychological aspects of denial and you guys gave us a real-time demonstration.
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I haven't given you a demonstration of anything. I have no problem saying that I am a christian.

Now, as for your insults, the first and foremost is you calling them all liars. You go to great lengths to make you calling them liars sound reasonable, but it is still an insult.

Next, you make a huge point of saying that they actually believe, but you don't offer one iota of evidence to support that. The fact that they read the bible and do some research to argue with people, like you, who insist they are lying or are wrong is not evidence of their believing in any higher power.

The psychological aspects of denial have one major flaw, and that it there is little or no difference between denying something that is untrue and denying something that is true. The actual act of denial is not evidence of anything except that they deny that they believe in a higher power.

And actually, you are doing what you hate about liberals. You are telling them that you know more than they do, you know whats best for them, and that they are ignorant for not listening.
 
Dixie said:
As I said earlier, there are very few humans who literally do not believe in anything greater than self. Those rare individuals tend to be pure evil.
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This is more dixie doublespeak. You are equating "believing in something greater than yourself" with religion and god. I believe in the human species and our ability to achieve and do great things through science, reason, and technology. These are all things greater than just the individual, and they have nothing to do with god, spirituality, or religion. I am still an atheist.
 
<(' . '<) said:
if belief in the easter bunny was a wide spread phenomenon you can bet people would have the same reaction. This is a pretty stupid example.
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Well, but, the Easter Bunny and Santa are pretty widespread phenomenon, millions of people do believe in them and express those beliefs regularly, and most everyone has faith they will get something under the tree at Christmas... I don't see why my example is stupid. Okay, let's take the very widespread phenomenon of UFOs? Do you see people going out of their way to point out their denunciation of UFOs? "Ah, they're nuts!" That's the extent of blowback you get on UFO believers. People don't spend hours researching text of the Gospel to find contradictions, coming up with elaborate explanations from out of context interpretations, composing seemingly well-reasoned and detailed arguments to support their disbelief.

You made a post claiming what atheists believe and how they conduct themselves. Naturally atheists are going to respond to your inaccurate assertions.
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Of course they are! I never said they wouldn't, did I? It's important to remember WHY they respond. It's not because they don't believe in something, it's because they DO! Think about it now... If a person you know is in denial of something, and you confront them with it directly, what will likely be their response? "Yeah, you're right, I have been in denial" LOL... not in the real world, it doesn't work that way. People in denial have to reach a point of individual acceptance with themselves, and I can't really do that for them. Until they do, the mechanisms of denial are still in play, and they will behave accordingly. The responses to this thread are revealing of the very points I made, and support my whole argument here.

I don't go around worrying about god in my everyday life. I pretty much never dwell on how fake and unreal he is, and how stupid people are for believing in such things. Naturally I am more inclined to talk about this stuff on JPP because this is a board for debate. Religion influences all of our lives to the extent that moral fags will tell me what to do and how to behave. I have a vested interest in defeating said assertions. Religion holds mankind back, it makes us stupider, dumber, more gullible, and an inferior people. Anyone that believes in god is an inferior person.
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All statements a person in denial will say to convince themselves and keep their myth propped up. Notice how you have to begin by using denigrating vernacular.. "fake and unreal" how people are "stupid" but that doesn't satisfy you enough, these people are "moral fags" and then comes the kicker.... YOU are the victim! From here, you establish your justification for remaining in denial and indicate you are prepared to do battle to maintain it. Oh, and one last insult... people are 'inferior' to you, (who remains 'superior.') This is your Hershey's Kiss... Your reward for sticking in your thumb and pulling out a plumb! Look at what a stellar masterpiece you wrote, to put that "Christian" in his place? But the psychological aspects do not lie, and you can't ever really hide from those.
 
Dixie said:
but what about ufos? blah blah blah
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ufos are still a fringe topic in our society. Religion and believe in god is very mainstream and accepted. People believing in ufos doesn't affect me. People trying to base law and dictate our foreign and domestic policy on what the old testament said does affect me and many others. When bush was invading iraq the pentagon sent him bible quotes on every page of their military plans. Gays are not allowed to marry because of what it says in the bible. I can go on and on . .


All statements a person in denial will say to convince themselves and keep their myth propped up. Notice how you have to begin by using denigrating vernacular.. "fake and unreal" how people are "stupid" but that doesn't satisfy you enough, these people are "moral fags" and then comes the kicker.... YOU are the victim! From here, you establish your justification for remaining in denial and indicate you are prepared to do battle to maintain it. Oh, and one last insult... people are 'inferior' to you, (who remains 'superior.') This is your Hershey's Kiss... Your reward for sticking in your thumb and pulling out a plumb! Look at what a stellar masterpiece you wrote, to put that "Christian" in his place? But the psychological aspects do not lie, and you can't ever really hide from those.
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none of this paragraph makes any sense in connection to your original assertion. I am not allowed to believe you are stupid? Religious people have a mental delusion. They either lie to themselves or are incredibly ignorant about the world around them. This has nothing to do with me secretly believing in god or something stupid like you claim.

You are making zero sense as usual dixie.
 
Dixie said:
Of course they are! I never said they wouldn't, did I? It's important to remember WHY they respond. It's not because they don't believe in something, it's because they DO! Think about it now... If a person you know is in denial of something, and you confront them with it directly, what will likely be their response? "Yeah, you're right, I have been in denial" LOL... not in the real world, it doesn't work that way. People in denial have to reach a point of individual acceptance with themselves, and I can't really do that for them. Until they do, the mechanisms of denial are still in play, and they will behave accordingly. The responses to this thread are revealing of the very points I made, and support my whole argument here.


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Dixie, that is such psychobabble.

When someone started a post that all southerners were inbred idiots, I notice you didn't say I was in denial when I argued with them.

By your logic, any person who disagrees with you with any passion at all is showing that they actually do believe. What nonsense.

You called them all liars, and then when they respond you claim their responses prove your point?? WTF?
 
WinterBorn said:
Dixie, that is such psychobabble.

When someone started a post that all southerners were inbred idiots, I notice you didn't say I was in denial when I argued with them.

By your logic, any person who disagrees with you with any passion at all is showing that they actually do believe. What nonsense.

You called them all liars, and then when they respond you claim their responses prove your point?? WTF?
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dixie is an idiot. He is from alabama, this is to be expected. He doesn't believe 1/3rd exists. He thinks jesus talks to him in the shower. The list goes on an on.

Arguing with him is an exercise in futility, because he is too stupid to understand any arguemnt. I once posted a scientific article (that's been peer reviewed) that illustrated that providing evidence to people can actually backfire and enforce their incorrect prior delusions. This is exactly what happens with dixie, the more you argue against him, the more he is convinced of his inane delusions.

It's only fun to debate dixie if you realize you are basically just toying with him like a cat does with a mouse. basically, dixie has just been getting toyed with for like the last 5 years. Anyone that knows dixie even moderately does this all the time.

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<(' . '<) said:
dixie is an idiot. He is from alabama, this is to be expected. He doesn't believe 1/3rd exists. He thinks jesus talks to him in the shower. The list goes on an on.

Arguing with him is an exercise in futility, because he is too stupid to understand any arguemnt. I once posted a scientific article (that's been peer reviewed) that illustrated that providing evidence to people can actually backfire and enforce their incorrect prior delusions. This is exactly what happens with dixie, the more you argue against him, the more he is convinced of his inane delusions.

It's only fun to debate dixie if you realize you are basically just toying with him like a cat does with a mouse. basically, dixie has just been getting toyed with for like the last 5 years. Anyone that knows dixie even moderately does this all the time.

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I can agree with everything except your idea that everyone from Alabama is as ignorant as Dixie.

That just ain't the truth.

The rest, well you nailed him.
 
<(' . '<) said:
This is more dixie doublespeak. You are equating "believing in something greater than yourself" with religion and god. I believe in the human species and our ability to achieve and do great things through science, reason, and technology. These are all things greater than just the individual, and they have nothing to do with god, spirituality, or religion. I am still an atheist.
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Or as someone called it earlier, the "human spirit" is what you believe in. That's all good and well, but belief in the spirit of humans is still belief in something greater than self, a spiritual belief, not a natural phenomenon. In fact, there is not even a scientific basis to explain why you have the inclination to believe in the human spirit, it's simply an attribute which exists in humans. There is really no evolutionary explanation for where this attribute came from, other than an obvious and profound connection to the spiritual realm. It is the only plausible or logical explanation for why the behavior is found in our species. Again, we are hard-wired to believe in something greater than self, to have spirituality. It is the distinction which differentiates us from the chimps, and has enabled us to foster civilizations, and knowledge, including the very sciences and technologies you revere.
 
Dixie said:
Or as someone called it earlier, the "human spirit" is what you believe in. That's all good and well, but belief in the spirit of humans is still belief in something greater than self, a spiritual belief, not a natural phenomenon. In fact, there is not even a scientific basis to explain why you have the inclination to believe in the human spirit, it's simply an attribute which exists in humans. There is really no evolutionary explanation for where this attribute came from, other than an obvious and profound connection to the spiritual realm. It is the only plausible or logical explanation for why the behavior is found in our species. Again, we are hard-wired to believe in something greater than self, to have spirituality. It is the distinction which differentiates us from the chimps, and has enabled us to foster civilizations, and knowledge, including the very sciences and technologies you revere.
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I do not believe in any "human spirit" I believe in the concrete idea of the human capacity for thought, reason and innovation. It has nothing to do with anything metaphysical. All of the above is very much explained by evolution. Our ability to communicate our ideas allows us to build upon the prior knowledge of past generations. Allowing us to continue to grow in knowledge and experience. As usual, you are just talking out of your ass.
 
Again, we are hard-wired to believe in something greater than self, to have spirituality
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Again you are erroneously/deviously connecting something as "greater than oneself" as spirituality. And I am not going to let you do that. The two do not have to go hand and hand.

Civil Law is "greater than myself" is that also spirituality?

Furthermore, you have provided zero evidence of your assertion that we are hard wired as such. It is not the only thing that separates us from animals. Provide me with one scientific peer reviewed paper that illustrates that spirituality is hard wired into a human brain, or accept defeat and admit you are talking out of your ass and stipulating facts not yet in evidence.
 
<(' . '<) said:
ufos are still a fringe topic in our society. Religion and believe in god is very mainstream and accepted. People believing in ufos doesn't affect me. People trying to base law and dictate our foreign and domestic policy on what the old testament said does affect me and many others. When bush was invading iraq the pentagon sent him bible quotes on every page of their military plans. Gays are not allowed to marry because of what it says in the bible. I can go on and on . .
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I understand you are Anti-Christian, but that is a completely different thing than denouncing God completely. My take is, you denounce God because you dislike Christian beliefs in God, not because you don't believe in anything greater than self. Thanks for making that point for me again.


none of this paragraph makes any sense in connection to your original assertion. I am not allowed to believe you are stupid? Religious people have a mental delusion. They either lie to themselves or are incredibly ignorant about the world around them. This has nothing to do with me secretly believing in god or something stupid like you claim.

You are making zero sense as usual dixie.
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Again, another flurry exactly patterned after your previous flurry. It's as if you are going by a predefined template, isn't it? Mentally delusional ignorant liars, they are! My goodness, that is a lot of hate and revile to heap on people who believe in something that you know isn't real, isn't it?
 
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