Athiests Obviously Believe in SOMETHING!

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'proof' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for announcing the belief and faith in God. It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior. This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Christian, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of life...

Isn't it interesting, I can use your paragraph to come to another conclusion.

Actually, this is the first thread I've posted about God this year. I've explained before, I am not a Christian. Not that I don't believe in Christianity, I just don't believe that Jesus was the actual living son of God. I think he was misunderstood, and through time, his intended message was morphed.

I don't "believe" in God, I know God is real, I don't have to have faith in it. Because of this knowledge, I don't need reassurance from others... just as you don't need reassuring your mother is real.

But ya, it's a cute trick to switch any statement around and apply it in reverse, it just doesn't really apply in this case.

 

[Phantasmal]

Actually, this is the first thread I've posted about God this year. I've explained before, I am not a Christian. Not that I don't believe in Christianity, I just don't believe that Jesus was the actual living son of God. I think he was misunderstood, and through time, his intended message was morphed.

I don't "believe" in God, I know God is real, I don't have to have faith in it. Because of this knowledge, I don't need reassurance from others... just as you don't need reassuring your mother is real.

But ya, it's a cute trick to switch any statement around and apply it in reverse, it just doesn't really apply in this case.

You don't "know" God, that is where you use the language wrong, but you are right, you have faith and good for you, if that is what you need, others do not feel or think the same way you do. What seems so real and certain to you is not that way for others and I find it interesting that people like you need for others to believe the way that you do. You somehow feel threatened by Atheist and you shouldn't if your faith is real.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Is this all you've got?

you suck

LMAO, what did you expect from me? An argument? I don't care that you want to live in denial and renounce God, that is your soul, not mine. I am merely here to point out the psychological aspects of those who are in denial. For instance, in your first post, the very first sentence was: "I am an Atheist." As if, we would have never known this unless you told us? You see, it was the most important thing you needed to say, not for us, but for yourself. Then there is your all too familiar "morality chant" which you must have tattooed on your hand or on a plaque above your computer. It's important for you to keep telling yourself you aren't afraid of the darkness.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You don't "know" God, that is where you use the language wrong, but you are right, you have faith and good for you, if that is what you need, others do not feel or think the same way you do. What seems so real and certain to you is not that way for others and I find it interesting that people like you need for others to believe the way that you do. You somehow feel threatened by Atheist and you shouldn't if your faith is real.

No, I am not misusing the language, I know what "know" means, and I know God is there. It's not that it "seems real" to me, it's a matter of feeling the presence around me, my personal experiences and witness to the power of God. Now, I don't know that the entity prefers the label "God" or if it really gives one whit whether we believe in it, but I do know it's there.

And I don't need for you to believe in anything, it is not the least bit important to me. As a human, with human compassion for my fellow man, I would like for others to be happy, content, and fulfilled in life, because life is too short to spend it miserable and frustrated. By perhaps helping someone come to terms with their denial, maybe it will one day change their life. It's really no different than getting your drunk uncle to go to AA or something.

 

[Phantasmal]

LMAO, what did you expect from me? An argument? I don't care that you want to live in denial and renounce God, that is your soul, not mine. I am merely here to point out the psychological aspects of those who are in denial. For instance, in your first post, the very first sentence was: "I am an Atheist." As if, we would have never known this unless you told us? You see, it was the most important thing you needed to say, not for us, but for yourself. Then there is your all too familiar "morality chant" which you must have tattooed on your hand or on a plaque above your computer. It's important for you to keep telling yourself you aren't afraid of the darkness.

If you are not Christian, you share some Christian concepts like your soul being in danger because you do not believe in your concept of God. I may have a concept of God that is entirely different from yours. One of a God that does not get involved in human activities, does not answer prayers and does not send people to a place like hell.

I don't see Atheist being any happier or unhappier than people who believe in God. People are just people.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Dixie.

I denounce god completely. He's just an irrational concept. When pushed, deists or whatever the fuck always then like to say that god is everything, or god is energy, but those are already concepts known respectively as "everything", and "energy".

god is the concept of centralized power and omnipotence. God is triumph over the individual, which is why totalitarians from all "sides" of the spectrum love religion and the power of hypocrisy and control it provides.

I do believe in morality though:

Morality is a set of behaviors and attitudes which facilitate voluntary, cooperative, and mutually beneficial relationships between individuals.

Because I'm douchebag...

...Hey, look atheists and leftists, you've got AsshatZombie on your side!!!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

If you are not Christian, you share some Christian concepts like your soul being in danger because you do not believe in your concept of God. I may have a concept of God that is entirely different from yours. One of a God that does not get involved in human activities, does not answer prayers and does not send people to a place like hell.

I don't see Atheist being any happier or unhappier than people who believe in God. People are just people.

Well but okay, let's just assume for the sake of argument you have a soul, and God is real... wouldn't your soul be at stake for completely denouncing God? If he granted your soul and blessed you with knowledge, and you refuted that, wouldn't it be cause for his reprisal? I would think so, it sounds logical that would be the case, but maybe he doesn't really care?

I agree that you may believe in an entirely different concept of God than me, I think the overwhelming and vast majority do indeed believe in a different concept than me, I am not trying to force you to believe as I do, it doesn't matter to me one way or another. The point is, we pretty much ALL believe in something, many of us are simply in denial of what we believe. As I said earlier, there are very few humans who literally do not believe in anything greater than self. Those rare individuals tend to be pure evil.

And finally, I have to disagree with your observations of happiness. Atheists are almost universally unhappy, discontent, unfulfilled, and seeking something they are missing. Read through this thread, you can see the anger and hate, the result of being unfulfilled and unhappy, it's in virtually every post they make. Most of them will spend the better part of their life trying to fill this void with personal pleasures, self-indulgent behavior, and the familiar hateful rage against something they claim doesn't exist.

 

[Timshel]

My religion, Catholicism, doesn't teach that, Dick.

Uh huh. Yes it does, smotheredmanhood. Why is it you are afraid to engage and instead post these one sentence assertions without argument in support?

Catholicism evolves and adapts. It's the secret of it's success. But it often has to be dragged into the light and is always several steps behind. There are those that try to to shove the contradictions down the memory hole with the ready scapegoat but it only fools the children and feeble minded koolaide drinkers.

For instance, the church no longer accepts cash for sin. I am sure you will claim that was just a few greedy priests influenced by Satan, but it was a widespread practice that continued and grew deeper until Martin Luther. You likely tell yourself that the "queer priests" are influenced by the devil to deal with the current scandal. But it may well lead to more reform.

 

[WinterBorn]

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?p=537592&highlight=evidence#post537592

That is merely a detailed listing of how incredibly unlikely the independent development of life is.

Your post shows that life developing without a creator is a one-in-a-billion long shot. What it doesn't show is that it would be impossible.

 

[WinterBorn]

And as we can observe, the Atheist Denialists are out in full force! Spreading their OWN "Gospel" of truth, hoping to glean support from their fellow Atheists, because this is vitally important in facilitating their denial.

Most of us know there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, we understand these are fictional characters created by man, and not real entities. However, if someone posted a thread extolling the wonderfulness of Santa and Peter Rabbit, I doubt you'd have very much legitimate response. You may have a few who weighed in to say how goofy they thought you were, but read these responses, they go way beyond that. Almost to a fault, the Atheists post elaborate explanations of what they believe (or don't believe), they even do as Apple and cite actual Scriptures! Why do you think they feel so compelled to respond with these obviously well thought out arguments and responses? Would you (or anyone) go to this much trouble to express your vitriol and hate for the Easter Bunny? There is really no logical reason to viciously attack something that you do not believe in, other than to cope with denial.

Dixie, none of the atheists started this discussion, you did. And you started it by being hostile towards them and basically calling them liars.

I think you fully expected them to respond in kind.

Your insistence that they are actually believers is about as insulting as you can get. When you have spent as much time as you have claiming that the world is hostile to christians (or people of faith) and then you start this sort of crap, it makes it easy to see who is the dangerous group.

 

[WinterBorn]

Dixie, what is the point of this post? If there are atheists who actually believe, so what?

This is an attack on their belief (or lack thereof). And yet, you would go ballistic if someone did the same to you.

Funny how its ok when its you, I guess.

 

[Onceler]

Well but okay, let's just assume for the sake of argument you have a soul, and God is real... wouldn't your soul be at stake for completely denouncing God? If he granted your soul and blessed you with knowledge, and you refuted that, wouldn't it be cause for his reprisal? I would think so, it sounds logical that would be the case, but maybe he doesn't really care?

I agree that you may believe in an entirely different concept of God than me, I think the overwhelming and vast majority do indeed believe in a different concept than me, I am not trying to force you to believe as I do, it doesn't matter to me one way or another. The point is, we pretty much ALL believe in something, many of us are simply in denial of what we believe. As I said earlier, there are very few humans who literally do not believe in anything greater than self. Those rare individuals tend to be pure evil.

And finally, I have to disagree with your observations of happiness. Atheists are almost universally unhappy, discontent, unfulfilled, and seeking something they are missing. Read through this thread, you can see the anger and hate, the result of being unfulfilled and unhappy, it's in virtually every post they make. Most of them will spend the better part of their life trying to fill this void with personal pleasures, self-indulgent behavior, and the familiar hateful rage against something they claim doesn't exist.

How many atheists do you really know?

I'm guessing few. And I'm guessing there isn't much empirical evidence that you have for your claims about happiness.

There are Christians who are incredibly happy, and some who are incredibly unhappy; same goes for Buddhists, Hindu's, Jews, et al. I know atheists who are among the happiest people I know, and there are certainly some who are down in the dumps.

I was a bonafide atheist for about a decade, and it just happened to coincide with the most fun I have had in life in general.

Clearly, it's important to you that people believe in something. You started the thread, and it is one of many you have started on this & the other boards throughout JPP, FP & Politics.com history. It bothers you that people don't believe; of that there can be no doubt. This isn't a "goodwill" mission to try to improve people's lives.

 

[Phantasmal]

Well but okay, let's just assume for the sake of argument you have a soul, and God is real... wouldn't your soul be at stake for completely denouncing God? If he granted your soul and blessed you with knowledge, and you refuted that, wouldn't it be cause for his reprisal? I would think so, it sounds logical that would be the case, but maybe he doesn't really care?

I agree that you may believe in an entirely different concept of God than me, I think the overwhelming and vast majority do indeed believe in a different concept than me, I am not trying to force you to believe as I do, it doesn't matter to me one way or another. The point is, we pretty much ALL believe in something, many of us are simply in denial of what we believe. As I said earlier, there are very few humans who literally do not believe in anything greater than self. Those rare individuals tend to be pure evil.

And finally, I have to disagree with your observations of happiness. Atheists are almost universally unhappy, discontent, unfulfilled, and seeking something they are missing. Read through this thread, you can see the anger and hate, the result of being unfulfilled and unhappy, it's in virtually every post they make. Most of them will spend the better part of their life trying to fill this void with personal pleasures, self-indulgent behavior, and the familiar hateful rage against something they claim doesn't exist.

Based on my own personal experience Atheist can't be judge by their appearance on an anonymous board. The ones I have met in life are very well adjusted, but maybe I just attract those kinds of people. You mirror your friends, like attracts like.

If god is God then she will not care what I believe, God is above all our trivialities in my belief. Why would such a being or force care what a mere human thinks of God? I don't care what a gnat feels about me, whether it likes me or not...and if you look at God as the parental type, then she will forgive me because I am her child and she must not have done a good enough job of teaching me...she didn't give me the information I needed to form a valid conclusion of her being. Why the mystery, why doesn't she just tell us, why do we need faith? It is all human invention.

 

[Timshel]

And as we can observe, the Atheist Denialists are out in full force! Spreading their OWN "Gospel" of truth, hoping to glean support from their fellow Atheists, because this is vitally important in facilitating their denial.

Most of us know there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, we understand these are fictional characters created by man, and not real entities. However, if someone posted a thread extolling the wonderfulness of Santa and Peter Rabbit, I doubt you'd have very much legitimate response. You may have a few who weighed in to say how goofy they thought you were, but read these responses, they go way beyond that. Almost to a fault, the Atheists post elaborate explanations of what they believe (or don't believe), they even do as Apple and cite actual Scriptures! Why do you think they feel so compelled to respond with these obviously well thought out arguments and responses? Would you (or anyone) go to this much trouble to express your vitriol and hate for the Easter Bunny? There is really no logical reason to viciously attack something that you do not believe in, other than to cope with denial.

We have responded that atheists believe in stuff. That's not a very hard response to come up with. And we did not even need a secret meeting where we dined on babies and said prayers to Satan to come up with the response.

 

[Timshel]

Because I'm douchebag...

...Hey, look atheists and leftists, you've got AsshatZombie on your side!!!

Oh well. The fact that he is a nutjob is not going to make me run away from the fact that he occasionally stumbles over the truth. Largely the same reason I accept much of the wisdom in the bible as valid. I can pick and choose. I don't have to follow the herd.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, none of the atheists started this discussion, you did. And you started it by being hostile towards them and basically calling them liars.

I think you fully expected them to respond in kind.

Your insistence that they are actually believers is about as insulting as you can get. When you have spent as much time as you have claiming that the world is hostile to christians (or people of faith) and then you start this sort of crap, it makes it easy to see who is the dangerous group.

Dixie, what is the point of this post? If there are atheists who actually believe, so what?

This is an attack on their belief (or lack thereof). And yet, you would go ballistic if someone did the same to you.

Funny how its ok when its you, I guess.

Hmm.. I am having difficulty finding where I have insulted or denigrated anyone here. I simply pointed out the psychological aspects of denial and you guys gave us a real-time demonstration.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I was a bonafide atheist for about a decade, and it just happened to coincide with the most fun I have had in life in general.

If you are no longer Atheist, you never were Atheist. You mean to say, you lived in denial of the truth for about a decade, and it was the most fun... but what happened to all that? Why did that change? Perhaps all of the "fun" you were having, was not enough? Perhaps some event happened that made you reconsider your faith? I don't know your story, and it doesn't really matter, the point is made more brilliantly than I ever could have made it myself. Thanks!

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Most of us know there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, we understand these are fictional characters created by man, and not real entities. However, if someone posted a thread extolling the wonderfulness of Santa and Peter Rabbit, I doubt you'd have very much legitimate response. You may have a few who weighed in to say how goofy they thought you were, but read these responses, they go way beyond that. Almost to a fault, the Atheists post elaborate explanations of what they believe (or don't believe), they even do as Apple and cite actual Scriptures! Why do you think they feel so compelled to respond with these obviously well thought out arguments and responses? Would you (or anyone) go to this much trouble to express your vitriol and hate for the Easter Bunny? There is really no logical reason to viciously attack something that you do not believe in, other than to cope with denial.

if belief in the easter bunny was a wide spread phenomenon you can bet people would have the same reaction. This is a pretty stupid example.

You made a post claiming what atheists believe and how they conduct themselves. Naturally atheists are going to respond to your inaccurate assertions.

I don't go around worrying about god in my everyday life. I pretty much never dwell on how fake and unreal he is, and how stupid people are for believing in such things. Naturally I am more inclined to talk about this stuff on JPP because this is a board for debate. Religion influences all of our lives to the extent that moral fags will tell me what to do and how to behave. I have a vested interest in defeating said assertions. Religion holds mankind back, it makes us stupider, dumber, more gullible, and an inferior people. Anyone that believes in god is an inferior person.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God. It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior. This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Atheist, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of what they are doing.

The one most certainly universal and unforgivable sin is the complete denunciation of God. It kinda doesn't matter what you believe in, to denounce it completely is sort of a big deal. For this reason, many Atheists will hide behind the label of "Agnostic" ...which basically means the same thing as Atheist, only an "Agnostic" is saying, they aren't quite ready to make that leap into complete denunciation of God just yet, they may have a few more questions.

It is my theory, only a very few humans do not believe in anything greater than self. Some "Atheists" are the biggest believers in God. Keep in mind, psychological denial instincts dictate, you have to convince yourself of something before you can ever convince others. Many Atheists have convinced themselves so well, they will never.... See The Light!

You see, one scientifically proven aspect of human behavior, is our profound connection to spirituality. It is our definitive unique quality which makes us humans, and different from our 96% DNA cousin, the chimpanzee. It's the thing that 'evolution theory' can't explain or account for, it defies the principles of Darwin because it's a trait not found in our predecessors anywhere, and it's essential to us being humans, practicing humanity, enabling civilization itself. Where did it come from? What caused this anomaly? From the unearthing of our earliest civilizations, we find evidence of spiritual belief in humans. We have this inclination hard wired into us as humans, there is nothing we can do about it... except, deny it. Some of us do choose to do that, but have you ever noticed how miserable they are? Constantly dissatisfied, frustrated, searching for something, trying to find it through indulgence and promiscuity, self-pleasure. The sad thing is, they will never find the answer there.

That's not true Dixie. I'll tell you what athiest believe in. They believe in Joe Pesci!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo"]YouTube- George Carlin on Religion and God[/ame]

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Actually, this is the first thread I've posted about God this year. I've explained before, I am not a Christian. Not that I don't believe in Christianity, I just don't believe that Jesus was the actual living son of God.

I have 15 quotes of you saying the opposite. Naturally you backed away from them as of recently because it doesn't fit your current retarded argument. You are trying to position yourself as an outside observer uncorrupted by mainstream religious thought, but we all know the truth. I can easily link the thread that tabulates all your jesus quotes and how much you believe in him and how you talk to him in the shower.