Assange and Hypocrisy

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midcan5

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I find the outrage over Wikileaks hypocritical. It is curious how we so easily defend truth and then when it is uncomfortable run and hide. What happened to all this horsepucky about freedom of the press. Where is that 'liberal' media we hear about so often? What about the Pentagon papers or Deep Throat, were they not helpful in presenting just a bit of the backroom shenanigans? Or are the insiders the only ones allowed to spread information even when it is total BS.

A single day of Fox talking heads is so full of distortion, lies, and omissions that a person's head should spin. The nuns warned us that omission is sin too! Remember Colin Powell's pack of BS to the UN? Is that OK but truth not? Consider the distortions in the New York Times, as well as most MSM, leading up to Iraq, was that OK. Thousands died over that bit of baloney. Can Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, and other right wing talking heads say any idiocy so long as it is untrue or exaggerated? Consider the WMDs that Cheney found daily and are still found by some, to this day, on a weekly basis? Is that OK? Corporate MSM media had a real scare and wants freedom only in slogan.

"Jack Goldsmith has seven thoughts on Wikileaks, and they may surprise you: “I find myself agreeing with those who think Assange is being unduly vilified. …” “I do not understand why so much ire is directed at Assange and so little at the New York Times. …” http://themoderatevoice.com/94806/the-war-against-wikileaks-julian-assange-and-the-first-amendment/

"Julian Assange, founder of the notorious website WikiLeaks, should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

"Ultimately, of the 251,287 leaked dispatches dating back to 1966, none were labeled “top secret” and only 15,652, or 6 percent, were labeled “secret.” The rest carried the lower security classifications of “confidential” or “classified.”" http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/wikileaks-35481-assange-medal.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/wikileaks-cables-us-air-force?CMP=twt_gu

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-embassy-cables-key-points


"The organization of American society is an interlocking system of semi-monopolies notoriously venal, an electorate notoriously unenlightened, misled by a mass media notoriously phony." Paul Goodman
 
BTW, there is no such classification as "classified." There is Classified: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET; and there is Unclassified (often FOUO) which has a bazillion agency subcategories. This is why the government is about to create the new label SUI (sensitive unclassified information).
 
Threedee said:
BTW, there is no such classification as "classified." There is Classified: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET; and there is Unclassified (often FOUO) which has a bazillion agency subcategories. This is why the government is about to create the new label SUI (sensitive unclassified information).
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about insensitive information?
 
America's folly and weakness have been exposed.

Now you rage impotently against the man who made your weakness and evil public, instead of accepting the condemnation and shame you deserve.

This makes many laugh when America proclaims "freedom of speech" and pretends to be morally superior.
 
Threedee said:
BTW, there is no such classification as "classified." There is Classified: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET; and there is Unclassified (often FOUO) which has a bazillion agency subcategories. This is why the government is about to create the new label SUI (sensitive unclassified information).
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What does rape have to do with WikiLeaks? And you know positively that the rape charge is accurate? Would you stack your life on that?

And you are still an intellectual child if you think information is only classified in three categories. Get a job in a corporation and apply for data and security manager.


"Under the privilege of the First Amendment many, many ridiculous things are said." John Kenneth Galbraith
 
Threedee said:
BTW, there is no such classification as "classified." There is Classified: CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET; and there is Unclassified (often FOUO) which has a bazillion agency subcategories. This is why the government is about to create the new label SUI (sensitive unclassified information).
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Don't forget the compartmentalized. You'd have Confidential, Secret, Top Secret all with associated compartmentalization categorized by specific words. Top Secret (blahb, making one up here folks) would be able to be seen only by those with access to that specific compartmentalization. If I had access to TS (blahc) I would not necessary be able to access TS (Blahb) information.
 
midcan5 said:
What does rape have to do with WikiLeaks? And you know positively that the rape charge is accurate? Would you stack your life on that?

And you are still an intellectual child if you think information is only classified in three categories. Get a job in a corporation and apply for data and security manager.


"Under the privilege of the First Amendment many, many ridiculous things are said." John Kenneth Galbraith
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1) yes, the charge is accurate. He is being charged with rape. Whether he is convicted of rape is up in the air until the trial is over (if it goes that far).

2) he is referring to the government/military with regards to classifications. He also notes that there are 3 in the 'classified' category and thousands in the the 'unclassified' category. As Damo noted, the 3 'classified' categories are further broken down into subcategories.
 
midcan5 said:
And you are still an intellectual child if you think information is only classified in three categories. Get a job in a corporation and apply for data and security manager.
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You're an idiot.

Damocles said:
Don't forget the compartmentalized. You'd have Confidential, Secret, Top Secret all with associated compartmentalization categorized by specific words. Top Secret (blahb, making one up here folks) would be able to be seen only by those with access to that specific compartmentalization. If I had access to TS (blahc) I would not necessary be able to access TS (Blahb) information.
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The information I work with always has the tagline REL TO, because my career field often works with foreign militaries, such as Canada, Iceland, Australia, and New Zealand. So, conceivably, information could be classified //SECRET// REL TO USA, CAN, ICE, AUS, NZL.
 
Your collections of security acronyms are useless, as WikiLeaks has shown, thus your display of childish, murderous rage against Julian Assange for exposing USA's folly and evil.

Yet you presume to lecture other nations on "human rights"?
 
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I'm not so certain he/she is.
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First a woman, now not even a person. You buffoons have a funny way of denying uncomfortable reality. But consider if you were not a person, what exactly would you be? LOL And is Grind having identity problems again? Seems he is having this person-not problem.

Data - been there done that - is classified in many different ways, but I would have to kill your body too if I leaked info, your brains are already dead. Ironic you think, I'll let you think or at least try.

And the rape charge actually sounds a bit off the wall. Nothing like Kobe Bryant's rape charge. I'm not here to defend his sex escapades, I'm here to laugh at the hypocrisy when media actually posts real information and not political or corporate pablum

"The warrant was issued following a sexual assault complaint against him.

But on Saturday, as international media outlets were beginning to pick up the story, Eva Finne, Sweden's chief prosecutor, announced that Assange was no longer wanted.

"I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," the chief prosecutor said, but declined to go into any more details." http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/08/2010821153010551757.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html

"The pair went out for dinner together at a nearby restaurant. Afterwards they returned to her flat and had sex. What is not disputed by either of them is

that a condom broke — an event which, as we shall see, would later take on great significance.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html#ixzz18IlVGbB1
 
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midcan5 said:
First a woman, now not even a person. You buffoons have a funny way of denying uncomfortable reality. But consider if you were not a person, what exactly would you be? LOL And is Grind having identity problems again? Seems he is having this person-not problem.
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It's not a bad thing, you just give off a bot-like quality. Might have something to do with when FP.com was completely abandoned but you valiantly kept posting articles everyday or so on cue. You should share a life story every now and then and humanize yourself. I think people are starting to think you are a rogue computer program that simulates our own thought patterns and feeds it back to us.

Scary O_O
 
"Wikileaks editor Julian Assange is denying he had any contact with Army Pvt. Bradley Manning before the soldier leaked thousands of classified military documents. Without such a connection a prosecution for conspiracy would be extremely difficult.

In interviews on American television networks after his release from jail, Assange said he had never met or talked or had any relationship with Manning before the documents were sent to Wikileaks.

"I had never heard of the name Bradley Manning before it was published in the press," Assange said in an interview with ABC's Good Morning America.
The Independent newspaper in London reported Justice Department officials are hoping to get Manning to incriminate Assange in a plea bargain that would result in a lesser sentence for the soldier. Attempting to persuade a soldier, or any witness, to lie would be a crime. In a federal case it would be a federal crime."

http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...-role-in-manning-releasing-military-documents
 
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It's not a bad thing, you just give off a bot-like quality. Might have something to do with when FP.com was completely abandoned but you valiantly kept posting articles everyday or so on cue....
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I kept posting because I thought it wrong to abandon ship. Empathy is unusual online!


More on WikiLeaks from Joe Bageant, interesting article.

"Still, I for one am in favor of giving Assange the Médaille militaire, the Noble Prize, 15 virgins in paradise and a billion in cash as a reward for his courage in doing damned well the only significant thing that can be done at this time -- momentarily fucking up government control of information. But "potentially stimulating a new age of U.S. government transparency," (BBC) it ain't."

Take the world recent shaking WikiLeak's "revelations" of Washington's petty misery and drivel, which are scarcely revelations, just more extensive details about what we all already knew. Come on now, is it a revelation that Karzai and his entire government is a nest of fraudulent double-crossing thieves? Or that the US is duplicitous? Or that Angela Merkel is dull? The main revelation in the WikiLeaks affair was the U.S. government's response -- which was to bring US freedom of speech policy firmly in line with China's. Millions of us in cyber ghettoes saw it coming, but our alarm warnings were shouted inside a cyberspace vacuum bell jar.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/12/america-y-ur-peeps-b-so-dum.html
 
'On the 25th Day of Wikileaks, My Government Gave to Me' By davidswanson

"On the first day of Wikileaks, my government gave to me: the military in every embassy.
On the second day of Wikileaks, my government gave to me: two criminal presidents.
On the third day of Wikileaks, my government gave to me: three illegal wars.
On the fourth day of Wikileaks, my government gave to me: four covered up crimes."

http://davidswanson.org/content/25th-day-wikileaks-my-government-gave-me
 
Tea Party MILF Sarah Palin says WikiLeaks is "aiding/abetting the enemy".

"Wikileaks staff-whomever's calling the shots there is unconscionably aiding/abetting the enemy;don't contribute to this. Speak out. Do right"


https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/21070452220


Sarah goes on to describe WikiLeaks acts as "treasonous"


"Inexplicable: I recently won in court to stop my book "America by Heart" from being leaked,but US Govt can't stop Wikileaks' treasonous act?"


http://twitter.com/sarahpalinusa/status/9251635779866625


Then, Ms. Palin uses cables from WikiLeaks in her op-ed piece in USA Today.

..."Iran continues to defy the international community in its drive to acquire nuclear weapons. Arab leaders in the region rightly fear a nuclear-armed Iran. We suspected this before, but now we know for sure because of leaked diplomatic cables. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia "frequently exhorted the U.S. to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons program," according to these communications. Officials from Jordan said the Iranian nuclear program should be stopped by any means necessary. Officials from the United Arab Emirates and Egypt saw Iran as evil, an "existential threat" and a sponsor of terrorism. If Iran isn't stopped from obtaining nuclear weapons, it could trigger a regional nuclear arms race in which these countries would seek their own nuclear weapons to protect themselves..."


http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-12-22-column22_ST2_N.htm
 
midcan5 said:
I find the outrage over Wikileaks hypocritical. It is curious how we so easily defend truth and then when it is uncomfortable run and hide. What happened to all this horsepucky about freedom of the press. Where is that 'liberal' media we hear about so often? What about the Pentagon papers or Deep Throat
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Wasn't deep throat just releasing information about the president commiting a crime. Illegal activity by the president is not classified and therefore deep throat wasn't being evil by leaking it.
 
'8 Smears and Misconceptions About WikiLeaks Spread By the Media'

"Shredding the corporate media's malicious attacks on WikiLeaks."

"The corporate media's tendency to blare misinformation and outright fabrications has been particularly egregious in coverage of WikiLeaks. As Glenn Greenwald has argued, mainstream news outlets are parroting smears and falsehoods about the whistleblower site and its founder Julian Assange, helping to perpetuate a number of "zombie lies" -- misconceptions that refuse to die no matter how much they conflict with known reality, basic logic and well-publicized information."

1. Fearmongering that WikiLeaks revelations will result in deaths.
2. Spreading the lie that WikiLeaks posted all the cables.

http://www.alternet.org/story/14936...ceptions_about_wikileaks_spread_by_the_media/

"One cable by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in December 2009 notes that “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” Despite this, “Riyadh has taken only limited action to disrupt fundraising for the UN 1267-listed Taliban and LeT [Lashkar e-Tayyiba] groups that are also aligned with al-Qaeda." http://www.alternet.org/world/14922...tes_u.s._policy_more_than_fighting_terrorists

"My Parents Were Executed Under the Unconstitutional Espionage Act -- Here's Why We Must Fight to Protect Julian Assange
The Espionage Act is a huge danger to our open society; it's been used to send hundreds of dissenters to jail just for voicing their opinions, transforming dissent into treason." http://www.alternet.org/rights/1493..._why_we_must_fight_to_protect_julian_assange/
 
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