As Renewables Falter, Environmentalists Stand Up For Nuclear

Wasting your time with that fool, total shit for brains!

I'm willing to give him a chance. But if he's unable to coherently respond then it's just another case of STFU on the subject of energy and even Gorebal Warming because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Moon can either put up or shut up. And trust me, he's not going to put up. He couldn't even understand the significance of

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Utter bullshit. You want generationally?

In 1920 oil was the big thing
In 1820 coal was the big thing
In 1720 we chopped down forests for energy

In 2020 Germany, the leader in "green" energy they're chopping down forests to make fuel for pellet stoves...

Nuclear is clean, safe, and reliable. The waste is entirely alpha and beta emitters with small amounts of gamma. If that last sentence made no sense to you, then you have no relevant position on nuclear power as you haven't got a clue about how it works or how things nuclear work.

When you've done watching the video about the Nuscale SMR reactor, then you can learn about Molten Salt Reactors (MSR) which can reuse nuclear waste aka spent fuel.

 
Which offer was that, maggot. Do you really think that I read dumbass threads like yours ?


Haw, haw..........................haw.

Yes I do and I also know you read that, lying cunt!!

I'm willing to give him a chance. But if he's unable to coherently respond then it's just another case of STFU on the subject of energy and even Gorebal Warming because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Moon can either put up or shut up. And trust me, he's not going to put up. He couldn't even understand the significance of

E = ∆amu * 931mev

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ts-Stand-Up-For-Nuclear&p=4072140#post4072140
 
MSR concept is not new. Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) in the United States operated an experimental 7.34 MW (th) MSR from 1965 to 1969, in a trial known as the Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment (MSRE). This demonstrated the feasibility of liquid-fuelled reactors cooled by molten salts and helped identify and later resolve issues such as the need for liquid-liquid chemical extraction methods for molten salt fuel processing.

While work on MSRs has continued in several countries over the last few decades, commercial deployments have remained out of reach. This has been due to a range of issues including regulatory challenges such as the lack of MSR licensing standards as well as supply chain difficulties in sourcing specialized components.

Now, several MSR designs are nearing deployment readiness in various countries, including the US and Canada as well as thorium-based MSRs in China. The latter utilize fuel which is a mix of thorium and uranium, with the purpose of breeding fissile uranium-233 from the thorium in the reactor core. This transmuted uranium-233 is then burned up as fuel. Some MSRs can be fuelled with reactor grade plutonium recycled from SNF stocks, which has the potential to greatly reduce the burden associated with storing SNF, some of which remains radioactive for thousands of years.

IAEA support

The IAEA supports the development of MSRs through a variety of knowledge exchange initiatives, including a virtual consultancy meeting held last month attended by 21 experts from 13 countries. They worked on drafting an IAEA publication on the status of MSR technology including R&D activities and deployment challenges as well as a taxonomy for classifying the main types of MSRs. The publication is expected out in 2021. There are currently 10 MSR designs in the small modular reactor (SMR) category included in an IAEA publication to be published in September as a supplement to the IAEA’s Advanced Reactors Information System (ARIS) database.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/new...ors-for-a-sustainable-clean-energy-transition
 
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Yes I do and I also know you read that, lying cunt!!

Tch, tch..you DIRTY old maggot

Haw, haw.....................haw.

Here, you and your chum can get a room at the Ecocidal Hotel and read to each other.

Renewable Energy Is Key to Fighting Climate Change

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-long/renewable-energy-key-fighting-climate-change

Why Is Renewable Energy Important For The Future?

https://www.riddlelife.com/why-renewable-energy-important-for-the-future/

The Business Case for Renewable Energy

https://business.directenergy.com/blog/2020/august/business-case-for-renewables

Deloitte: The case for renewables has never been stronger

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2018/09/14/deloitte-the-case-for-renewables-has-never-been-stronger/

Alternative Energy: The Case for Renewables

https://www.maritime-executive.com/features/alternative-energy-the-case-for-renewables

The case for renewables in UK business

https://www.carbontrust.com/resources/the-case-for-renewables-in-uk-business

COVID-19: Case for renewables ‘stronger’ says BP CEO

https://renews.biz/61072/covid-19-case-for-renewables-stronger-says-bp-ceo/

The case for renewables apart from global warming

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271608734_The_case_for_renewables_apart_from_global_warming

How Coronavirus Makes The Case For Renewable Energy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidr...onavirus-makes-the-case-for-renewable-energy/
 
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Thailand is a garbage dump

Thailand's 23 coastal provinces dump an estimated one million tonnes of garbage into the sea each year. Plastic bags make up 15%, plastic straws account for seven percent, and cigarette butts five percent.

 
When you've done watching the video about the Nuscale SMR reactor, then you can learn about Molten Salt Reactors (MSR) which can reuse nuclear waste aka spent fuel.

I'm well versed in molten salt reactors, but generally don't like them. That molten salt coolant is a big headache. Thorium is better used in a CANDU style reactor along with reprocessed fuel rod fuel--you know, that stuff the environmentalists say can't be stored and has no use but really can safely be stored and does have uses--to generate power. Because of the fuel flexibility of a CANDU you can also use thorium alongside uranium to breed more uranium (U 233 in this case) which is easily fissionable.
The result is a very safe reactor system that produces huge amounts of power in a compact system with no CO2 emissions. The US has over 1,000 years worth of fuel in the ground right now to power the country at roughly double our current energy consumption rate.

 
The US has over 1,000 years worth of fuel in the ground right now to power the country at roughly double our current energy consumption rate.


Leave it there for when the sun goes out and the wind dies forever.
Nuke-heads just can't grasp that the plan is to use LESS energy, not twice as much as we're using now.

I wonder if nuclear troglodytes will glow in the dark ?
 
Leave it there for when the sun goes out and the wind dies forever.
Nuke-heads just can't grasp that the plan is to use LESS energy, not twice as much as we're using now.

I wonder if nuclear troglodytes will glow in the dark ?

Except none of that is possible in the Electronics age. If battery cars are the future--hopefully not but if they are--then you need way more power coming from power plants than you need today. All that electronic "stuff" needs power. Homes are using more electricity than they did 30 years ago and far more than 50 years ago.

Regardless, and even if we used less energy overall, wind and solar are still losers. Their efficiency is pathetically low. I've repeatedly pointed out how horrid solar is as a source.

Then there's another problem with you 'thinking.' You can't just turn on and off a nuclear power plant. It takes days to bring one on line and shutting it down takes weeks. Nuclear power plants work best with a steady load. They are normally used for base loading of the system and provide the bulk of the power. In a rational electrical generation and distribution system nuclear plants would be backed up with gas turbine natural gas "peaking" plants that can come on-line in minutes and be shut down in minutes.
This combination would provide all the electrical power demanded as it is demanded. No need for any storage system. Nuclear provides 70 to 80% of the load demand. The other variable 20 to 30% is made with natural gas.

Right now in the US the average coal fired power plant produces 667 gigawatts (GW) of power at full load. It can do that 24/7 365. You just keep feeding it train loads of coal. Nuclear plants produce 700 to 900 GW 24/7 365 and their fuel that lasts years would handily fit inside a Super Walmart store.

To match that solar that produces a third (1/3) kilowatt per standard 1.5 x 1 yard panel at most, often less, requires a surface area of panels 225 miles on a side. That's over 50,000 square miles. Since solar doesn't work when the sun goes down, part of that is the increase in the number of panels necessary to produce. Since you'd need 12 or so hours of storage battery capacity to cover when the sun isn't shining that'll run you roughly (current battery costs for a 4 hour system is about $400 per KW) 267 billion dollars for 667 GW of battery for 12 hours.
Also, you have to replace those solar panels every 15 to 20 years where a coal or nuclear plant will easily last 50 + years.

If the solar panels were FREE solar would still be uneconomical. It's that bad. You can't fix it either. The watt density of sunlight is fixed at 1.3 to 1.4 KW per square yard. That isn't going to change. PV cells are limited by the physics and chemistry of the metals and other elements that make them up. Look it up on a periodic table sometime. The best efficiency a PV panel has today is about 20%. That too isn't going to get much, if any, better. That's another wall based on physics and chemistry.

Wind is no different. You can only build a wind turbine so large before you run into problems with strength of materials. They too are very inefficient.

Both also require conversion of DC to AC power, another unnecessary cost avoided by conventional generation.

The "troglodytes" are the science and engineering denying morons on the Environmental Left, like you, Moon.

Let's look at a real case of what you want, and think will work: Germany.

Wind and solar still provide a small fraction of Germany's power needs. These have made Germany's grid unstable enough that their neighbors are disconnecting from it to avoid Germany alternately dumping excess power onto them or stealing power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing. Germany is decommissioning their six nuclear plants. But the German government found they can't make up that loss with wind and solar so they started building 25 new "clean" coal power plants to replace them.
On top of all that, Germany has spent nearly a trillion dollars on a Smart Grid that isn't close to being finished and has so far only worked mediocrely. Many industries in Germany that have a high electrical demand or a demand for reliable uninterrupted power have started installing UPS power systems and back up diesel generators at their plants to avoid interruptions and fluctuations in the grid.
Because Germany has moved away from natural gas too, people are now heating their homes with pellet stoves. They can't afford electricity to do it. The pellet stoves produce CO2 and ash waste. They are also quickly denuding Central Europe of forest to feet them.

All of this is because the morons on the Left demanded wind and solar be the choices for power production. These clowns didn't have the first clue about the impracticality of that. They're the same sort of retard AOC and her sycophants are. AOC doesn't even get how a garbage disposal works, yet she wants us to adopt her "Green New Deal." If you listen to fools, the mob rules...

It isn't those calling for natural gas and nuclear power that are the idiots. It's those that think solar and wind are "free" and can supply our energy needs, when they can't even tell you how any of that works nor the costs of their desires.
 
T. A. Gardner;4073057[B said:
]Except none of that is possible in the Electronics age. If battery cars are the future--hopefully not but if they are--then you need way more power coming from power plants than you need today. All that electronic "stuff" needs power. Homes are using more electricity than they did 30 years ago and far more than 50 years ago.

Regardless, and even if we used less energy overall, wind and solar are still losers. Their efficiency is pathetically low. I've repeatedly pointed out how horrid solar is as a source.
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Then there's another problem with you 'thinking.' You can't just turn on and off a nuclear power plant. It takes days to bring one on line and shutting it down takes weeks. Nuclear power plants work best with a steady load. They are normally used for base loading of the system and provide the bulk of the power. In a rational electrical generation and distribution system nuclear plants would be backed up with gas turbine natural gas "peaking" plants that can come on-line in minutes and be shut down in minutes.
This combination would provide all the electrical power demanded as it is demanded. No need for any storage system. Nuclear provides 70 to 80% of the load demand. The other variable 20 to 30% is made with natural gas.

Right now in the US the average coal fired power plant produces 667 gigawatts (GW) of power at full load. It can do that 24/7 365. You just keep feeding it train loads of coal. Nuclear plants produce 700 to 900 GW 24/7 365 and their fuel that lasts years would handily fit inside a Super Walmart store.

To match that solar that produces a third (1/3) kilowatt per standard 1.5 x 1 yard panel at most, often less, requires a surface area of panels 225 miles on a side. That's over 50,000 square miles. Since solar doesn't work when the sun goes down, part of that is the increase in the number of panels necessary to produce. Since you'd need 12 or so hours of storage battery capacity to cover when the sun isn't shining that'll run you roughly (current battery costs for a 4 hour system is about $400 per KW) 267 billion dollars for 667 GW of battery for 12 hours.
Also, you have to replace those solar panels every 15 to 20 years where a coal or nuclear plant will easily last 50 + years.

If the solar panels were FREE solar would still be uneconomical. It's that bad. You can't fix it either. The watt density of sunlight is fixed at 1.3 to 1.4 KW per square yard. That isn't going to change. PV cells are limited by the physics and chemistry of the metals and other elements that make them up. Look it up on a periodic table sometime. The best efficiency a PV panel has today is about 20%. That too isn't going to get much, if any, better. That's another wall based on physics and chemistry.

Wind is no different. You can only build a wind turbine so large before you run into problems with strength of materials. They too are very inefficient.

Both also require conversion of DC to AC power, another unnecessary cost avoided by conventional generation.

The "troglodytes" are the science and engineering denying morons on the Environmental Left, like you, Moon.

Let's look at a real case of what you want, and think will work: Germany.

Wind and solar still provide a small fraction of Germany's power needs. These have made Germany's grid unstable enough that their neighbors are disconnecting from it to avoid Germany alternately dumping excess power onto them or stealing power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing. Germany is decommissioning their six nuclear plants. But the German government found they can't make up that loss with wind and solar so they started building 25 new "clean" coal power plants to replace them.
On top of all that, Germany has spent nearly a trillion dollars on a Smart Grid that isn't close to being finished and has so far only worked mediocrely. Many industries in Germany that have a high electrical demand or a demand for reliable uninterrupted power have started installing UPS power systems and back up diesel generators at their plants to avoid interruptions and fluctuations in the grid.
Because Germany has moved away from natural gas too, people are now heating their homes with pellet stoves. They can't afford electricity to do it. The pellet stoves produce CO2 and ash waste. They are also quickly denuding Central Europe of forest to feet them.

All of this is because the morons on the Left demanded wind and solar be the choices for power production. These clowns didn't have the first clue about the impracticality of that. They're the same sort of retard AOC and her sycophants are. AOC doesn't even get how a garbage disposal works, yet she wants us to adopt her "Green New Deal." If you listen to fools, the mob rules...

It isn't those calling for natural gas and nuclear power that are the idiots. It's those that think solar and wind are "free" and can supply our energy needs, when they can't even tell you how any of that works nor the costs of their desires.

Exactly. A 2nd grader understands this basic and true reality. Not progressives though.
 
An indirect proof of how much more power a home uses today can be seen in residential electrical code, be it the NEC or IRC.

A new home pretty much requires a 200 amp service now. In 1970 it was generally just a 100 amp service. In 1950 you saw 50 or 60 amp services as normal.

A kitchen requires 3 20 amp circuits now, and a designated dining room has to be 20 amp as well. Rooms require more receptacles than they did in the 60's too. If power usage wasn't growing, these things wouldn't be the case. But it is and no matter how much uninformed, technical illiterates on the Left snivel and whine about how we should "conserve," it isn't going to happen. Even they are not going to give up their microwave, computer, smart phone, or whatever. They'll just virtue signal by buying 'squirrely" bulbs (CFL's) and LED lighting to claim victory. "I changed all my lights to CFL's! I'm doing my part to conserve!" What a crock.
 
Leave it there for when the sun goes out and the wind dies forever.
Nuke-heads just can't grasp that the plan is to use LESS energy, not twice as much as we're using now.

I wonder if nuclear troglodytes will glow in the dark ?

Oh well at least you have Joo-No, the ersatz Jew, as an acolyte. Strange bed fellows though, a notorious hater of Israel and a black racist pretend Jew.
 
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