Army Chooses Sig Sauer P320 As Next Service Pistol

sear said:
Anyone here not familiar with the story of the Philippine Insurrection?
The insurgents were binding their own limbs with vines so that when shot (w/ a .38) they could continue to charge into battle.
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I have not heard the vine story but i've heard the 38 (probably actually 36 caliber) was a failure against the filipinos. So the army went to the 45 colt revolver and that pleased everyone for 100 years until we went to the beretta 9mm 30 years ago.
 
"We could give the men a 45 and the girls a 9 mm but that would be admitting girls are inferior and it's better to let soldiers die." TK #20

It's a self-aggrandizing exercise in futility to dismiss it as self-destructive P.C.

It never was.

It's not that "girls are inferior".
Actually, body mass, and musculature between men and women are overlapping bell-curves. The strongest woman is stronger than the weakest man. But a comparison of medians reveals men are larger, & have more testosterone (thus more muscle tone) by significant percentage (pun not intended *).

But doubling the number of sidearm styles complicates things for the arms room substantially.

What ratio of girly guns to manly guns should each unit carry?
And unless each of the two chambers the same cart., it complicates resupply as well. And if it does chamber the same cart., then why have two different models?

When I served, men carried the .45 auto-loader. Women carried .38 wheel guns. I don't consider that a suitable 3rd Millennium "solution".

* SIGnificant percentage
 
Fuck the Army.
The Marines are switching back to .45ACP. If the Marines need .45 the Army should too.
Also fuck you text driver you stupid piece of shit
 
id imagine in this day and age even rifles dont win battles anymore the planes do.

newhoo i have no interest in guns but im sure there are some redeeming qualities to this one.
 
t #24

CBS-TV 60 Minutes did an interesting segment on semi-autonomous U.S. combat robots.

Read accounts of "Civil War*" strategy, and commanders like Grant and Lee relied on scouts to recon, for information on "enemy" location and complement.

We're quite beyond that. Some reports indicate the first (of several) Japanese waves of aircraft attacking Pearl Harbor were detected in advance by radar, reported; but the reports were ignored.

Today our info. feed includes satellite, human-aboard aircraft, aerial drones dispatched from locations remote from the prospective battle field, local drones launched from the infantry units on station, etc.

One of the most interesting points made in the 60 Minutes segment was the expert opinion that this emerging cyber-tech may prove as revolutionary to military action as nuclear weapons have.

" i have no interest in guns but im sure there are some redeeming qualities to this one." t #24

Sig Sauer has been Uncle Sam's choice before. The FBI had them, perhaps still do, .40S&W iirc.
Sigs are VASTLY, VASTLY, VASTLY better than Glocks for example.
Not only do Glocks have no external hammer, a practical means to lower a cocked hammer without discharge.
Unlike the Sig, Glocks have no decocking lever.

Sigs are dangerous to the bad guys, the criminals and the enemies alike.
Glocks are dangerous to everybody, intended target, and shooter alike.

* aka "The War of Northern Aggression"
 
Opinions on which caliber will be best for the military???

P320 Full Size:

17 rounds (9×19mm)
14 rounds (.357 SIG, .40 S&W)
10 rounds (.45 ACP)
 
#29

Is that a choice?

Or do you mean to suggest the U.S. military should simply inventory a smattering of them all?
 
"Those are the 3 choices currently offered." Bd #31

By this I deduce you mean they're what's available from Sig in the P320.

That's fine.
It eliminates for example the 50 cal.

But it is not a choice.

Out of all those you listed,
considering the complications of supply and maintenance,
considering NATO compatibility issues,
considering the body type range of the U.S. troops from various branches that will be using them for a variety of purposes, including combat, perhaps police work, etc.

which single cart. from those available options do you think would best suit this acquisition, and why?
 
sear said:
"Those are the 3 choices currently offered." Bd #31

By this I deduce you mean they're what's available from Sig in the P320.

That's fine.
It eliminates for example the 50 cal.

But it is not a choice.

Out of all those you listed,
considering the complications of supply and maintenance,
considering NATO compatibility issues,
considering the body type range of the U.S. troops from various branches that will be using them for a variety of purposes, including combat, perhaps police work, etc.

which single cart. from those available options do you think would best suit this acquisition, and why?
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It's a simple choice, ... one of capacity vs. stopping power.

I'll defer to Mad Dog Mattis. But I prefer the .45 because the weapon has to be able to perform at close range, IMO.
 
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sear said:

It's not that "girls are inferior".
Actually, body mass, and musculature between men and women are overlapping bell-curves. The strongest woman is stronger than the weakest man.
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Well of course that's true, you simpleton. No one is saying ALL men are stronger than all women. But the average man is far far stronger than the average woman. Like most idiot liberals, you can't even understand a simple concept like "average'.
 
sear said:
"We could give the men a 45 and the girls a 9 mm but that would be admitting girls are inferior and it's better to let soldiers die." TK #20

It's a self-aggrandizing exercise in futility to dismiss it as self-destructive P.C.

It never was.

It's not that "girls are inferior".
Actually, body mass, and musculature between men and women are overlapping bell-curves. The strongest woman is stronger than the weakest man. But a comparison of medians reveals men are larger, & have more testosterone (thus more muscle tone) by significant percentage (pun not intended *).

But doubling the number of sidearm styles complicates things for the arms room substantially.

What ratio of girly guns to manly guns should each unit carry?
And unless each of the two chambers the same cart., it complicates resupply as well. And if it does chamber the same cart., then why have two different models?

When I served, men carried the .45 auto-loader. Women carried .38 wheel guns. I don't consider that a suitable 3rd Millennium "solution".

* SIGnificant percentage
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.45 is the way to go IMO

If women can't handle a .45 then that is just another reason why they should not be in the military.

Oh and hollow points for maximum damage
 
I Love America said:
.45 is the way to go IMO

If women can't handle a .45 then that is just another reason why they should not be in the military.

Oh and hollow points for maximum damage
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Maximum damage?? The army doesn't want you to kill the enemy. They want you to injure the enemy as that is more expensive to the enemy. THINK
 
"It's a simple choice, ... one of capacity vs. stopping power." Bd #33

a) It's more complicated than that.
Recoil factors for each individual troop.

b) What you have cited, and I have added are surely considerations in making the selection.
But they are not a selection.

A selection would be recognized as being one single cartridge. And you've specified several; thus not a choice, but a list of options.

"Well of course that's true, you simpleton. No one is saying ALL men are stronger than all women." TK #34

Not you. And not me. Thank you for admitting it.

You're commenting on my correction to TK #20's brief but severe romp into lunacy which I now reprise.

"We could give the men a 45 and the girls a 9 mm but that would be admitting girls are inferior and it's better to let soldiers die." TK #20

Me logically, factually, validly correcting an insulting, gender-biased insult does not make me a "simpleton". That's an appellation better suited to TK #20, or if you prefer, TK #34.

I'll help you out here TK.
I'll stop correcting you, after you stop being wrong.

"If you need more than 10 rounds you have bigger problems" IA #37

In some cases.
In police work, abundant firepower can be used as fire-supression, to for example get the sniper out of the church bell-tower by giving the SWAT snipers time / opportunity to take position.

In the military, for dealing with ambushes, where a force of substantially greater numbers of attackers are dug in, and have caught your patrol in the open.
 
Sear, I disagree.

I'm not going to choose a caliber based on what a woman or pajama boy can handle, or what ammo is already available. As far as I'm concerned, those are non-issues.
 
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