Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20

Damocles said:
Or, I am just a guy who notes that the gallows is not in the building
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No, it was built at the rally, which didn't start at the Capitol.

Trump TOLD them to go to the Capitol during the rally.

So of course they're not around it when they're at the Capitol, but they WERE around it during the rally.

So why was it even there?

So what you're doing here is exercising sophistry in the most lazy way possible.
 
Damocles said:
No, not anymore than that guy would have stopped George W. with it.
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Again, you keep running away from the gallows by deflecting.

They were erected where the rally was, which wasn't at the Capitol. They moved TO the Capitol when Trump told them to. The gallows were erected before then.

So here's what I see: Inciting people to violence by lying about the election and erecting a gallows to either hang people, or intimidate them.

If it's the former, that's attempted murder, and if it's the latter, that is terrorism.


get that you love being on this side for once where you get to take "shock images" from a protest and give whatever motive you want to the folks carrying it.
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Oh, if you know the motive behind erecting gallows that isn't either an explicit threat or a means by which they "stop the steal", then what is the motive?


You don't get that opportunity often as it normally is the left with the shock props at a protest.
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Effigies are one thing...gallows? That's something else entirely. Particularly when they are erected in order to "stop the steal" AKA The Big Lie.

So was that why they were erected? To "stop the steal"?

You can't just claim something is art or a prop without talking about the intent of the creator.

I mean you CAN, you'd just be a gigantic douchebag.
 
b) As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2102
 
LV426 said:
No, it was built at the rally, which didn't start at the Capitol.

Trump TOLD them to go to the Capitol during the rally.

So of course they're not around it when they're at the Capitol, but they WERE around it during the rally.

So why was it even there?

So what you're doing here is exercising sophistry in the most lazy way possible.
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That gallows didn't go to the capitol. Basically, what I am saying is that folks use that kind of thing as shock value during protests. We have a ton of images like it everywhere.

Like this one:
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I note that you weren't anywhere on the internets saying that these folks really meant to kill W. back in the day... That they were "going to end the war" by "those means" simply because there was a shock prop around...
 
Damocles said:
I think anybody who went in the building and caused damage deserve some penalty, but this outside protest... not so much.
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Anyone at that rally went there with the express purpose of harming others. "Stop the Steal" was the name of the rally. Nothing was stolen, so that's a lie. So now, we have to talk about the "STOP" part of "STOP THE STEAL".

What does the "STOP" part entail? Terrorism, as you so very succinctly put it when you said the gallows were a "shock prop".

BTW - "shock prop" is not a thing. It's something you just made up on the spot. It's a standard you are going to change later on in this debate.
 
LV426 said:
Anyone at that rally went there with the express purpose of harming others. "Stop the Steal" was the name of the rally. Nothing was stolen, so that's a lie. So now, we have to talk about the "STOP" part of "STOP THE STEAL".

What does the "STOP" part entail? Terrorism, as you so very succinctly put it when you said the gallows were a "shock prop".

BTW - "shock prop" is not a thing. It's something you just made up on the spot. It's a standard you are going to change later on in this debate.
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It is definitely a thing...

The reality is such imagery can be brought up in nearly every protest from the left from the beginning of time. You just are silent at those times because their protest supports your opinion.

LOL. But as I said, I'll get out of the way and let your poutrage continue.
 
dukkha said:
there is specific criteria for incitement
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Yes, there is...and it's criteria you aren't aware of. So you're doing that thing again where you set arbitrary standards that you will end up moving and changing later on.

It was literally called "STOP THE STEAL"

"Stop", how?
 
Damocles said:
It is definitely a thing...
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No it isn't. It's a standard you just made up on the spot.


The reality is such imagery can be brought up in nearly every protest from the left from the beginning of time.
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Ah, but the major difference is that "STOP THE STEAL" was a call to action.

And the "STOP" clearly involved the actual use of gallows or something those gallows represent.

What I'm trying to figure out is what do those gallows represent if not a terroristic threat?
 
LV426 said:
Protests...

Not a call to action.

"STOP THE STEAL" is literally a call to action...in other words, incitement.

STOP the steal, HOW?
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Stop the steal is the bumper sticker chant of a protesting group of folks. Much like the folks that chanted for "dead cops"...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ad-cops-video-millions-march-protest/2015303/

You are really "stretching" to try to make it "incitement" and it isn't even a term that Trump came up with, that came from the folks protesting.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Meh we're dealing with mental midgets. No big whoop.
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Wait,....i thought the narrative was that our country was facing the most dangerous enemy we have ever known????????????? You guys REALLY need to have a meeting to figure out which narrative you are going to finally settle on pushing. :laugh:
 
Damocles said:
Much like the folks that chanted for "dead cops"
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Nothing like that at all. Those people were victims of cops. The terrorists in DC weren't victims of anyone, other than Trump's lies.

And BTW - YOU ALL KILLED COPS IN DC. Just like how you all killed cops this past summer and tried to blame it on BLM. IN fact, if memory serves, YOU were one of those people who was lying about BLM killing cops in California, when it turned out it was your "very fine people" who did the cop killing:

Alleged 'Boogaloo' extremist charged in killing of federal officer during George Floyd protest
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ing-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187

Ooof.

Accused Killer Of California Cops Was Associated With Right-Wing 'Boogaloo Movement'
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...right-wing-boogaloo-movement/?sh=214a756759bd

Oy vey.

An officer was gunned down. The killer was a ‘boogaloo boy’ using nearby peaceful protests as cover, feds say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/17/boogaloo-steven-carrillo/

But but but...YOU SAID it was the left killing cops. Only, it wasn't the left. It was you and your "very fine people".



and it isn't even a term that Drumpf came up with
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Trump literally tweeted it out on 1/3 and screeched about it during his Dalton, GA rally the day before the Senate runoffs:

"STOP THE STEAL"

All caps. Nothing else said.

He also tweeted this on 11/6:

"STOP THE FRAUD"

So, again, my question to you is..."stop the steal", HOW?
 
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If you think THATS bad,.... wait till you find out that the troops in DC arent there to battle evil Trump supporters. LOL Who btw,....are NOT going to do any rioting in DC or anywhere else in the first place. 20,000 of them,...thats quite a lot of troops. Must be there for a pretty important reason...;)

How did they get there? Did the mayor of DC order them in? Nope, she CANT,.. she does not have the authority....it was Trumps hand picked Def sec that ordered them in.

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