Are you sure you want single payer healthcare in the U.S.?

Stretch said:
Thank-you. I see your valid points. :) Guess I'm just fed up with continually handing over so much of our own personal responsibilities to the big bloated inefficient federal government. I can't imagine this is what the founding fathers had in mind. Seems everything they touch turns to crap (pardon my language, LOL)
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I definitely agree. The "pursuit of happiness" has become the "guarantee of happiness."
there is a significant difference.

The federal government is a monster, and left unchecked ( or encouraged by the statist Democrats)
continues to glom up all purviews and resources.

We have to double our debt under each POTUS just to continue funding it.

we have to trim it, and we have to grow GDP (MAGA)
 
Stretch said:
Median wait time by province in 2016:
• New Brunswick: 38.8 weeks
• Nova Scotia: 34. 8
• P.E.I: 31.4
• Newfoundland and Labrador: 26
• British Columbia: 25.2
• Alberta: 22.9
• Manitoba: 20.6
• Quebec: 18.9
• Saskatchewan: 16.6
• Ontario: 15.6

In terms of specialized treatment, national wait times were longest for neurosurgery (46.9 weeks) and shortest for medical oncology (3.7 weeks).
• Neurosurgery: 46.9 weeks
• Orthopaedic surgery: 38
• Ophthalmology: 28.5
• Plastic Surgery: 25.9

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National Review April 13, 2017
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How do these numbers compare for wait times in the US?

I have a family member that needed a hip replacement, had first doctor's appointment in early October, doc told her she couldn't have the surgery until February unless she scheduled for Thanksgiving weekend, which she did.
 
christiefan915 said:
How do these numbers compare for wait times in the US?

I have a family member that needed a hip replacement, had first doctor's appointment in early October, doc told her she couldn't have the surgery until February unless she scheduled for Thanksgiving weekend, which she did.
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I really don't know. Maybe I can find a site that info. All I can figure for your family member was that the surgery wasn't considered more of a medical or surgical emergency or priority. I hope it goes well for her.
 
christiefan915 said:
How do these numbers compare for wait times in the US?

I have a family member that needed a hip replacement, had first doctor's appointment in early October, doc told her she couldn't have the surgery until February unless she scheduled for Thanksgiving weekend, which she did.
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Yes, and before Obama, I knew people who were cancer survivors and couldn't even get private insurance and access to affordable health care, because of their preexisting condition.

Not a single one of my Canadian relatives have ever, in their entire lives, been in fear of not having access to adequate healthcare or being able to afford it.
 
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Stretch said:
I really don't know. Maybe I can find a site that info. All I can figure for your family member was that the surgery wasn't considered more of a medical or surgical emergency or priority. I hope it goes well for her.
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It wasn't an emergency and everything worked out well. This was a few years ago.

Somewhere in the article I read "Canadians who need medically necessary surgeries waited longer than ever for treatment — with average wait times hitting 20 weeks, a new Fraser Institute report concludes."

Medically necessary doesn't necessarily mean emergency.
 
christiefan915 said:
It wasn't an emergency and everything worked out well. This was a few years ago.

Somewhere in the article I read "Canadians who need medically necessary surgeries waited longer than ever for treatment — with average wait times hitting 20 weeks, a new Fraser Institute report concludes."

Medically necessary doesn't necessarily mean emergency.
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Your correct. I was just considering any possible urgency of her situation. I'm glad the procedure was successful for her. :)
 
Cypress said:
Yes, and before Obama, I knew people who were cancer survivors and couldn't even get private insurance and access to affordable health care, because of their preexisting condition.

Not a single one of my Canadian relatives have ever, in their entire lives, been in fear of not having access to adequate healthcare or being able to afford it.
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This is unsurprising. A few years ago when my company was changing health plans the new company didn't want to pay for my migraine drugs.. migraine, not serious conditions like cancer or heart problems. I had to fight with them and provide evidence that I had been getting treatment before the changeover. It's not like migraine meds have street value and they were just being careful. It was just another greedy insurance carrier trying to get away with providing as little as possible.
 
christiefan915 said:
This is unsurprising. A few years ago when my company was changing health plans the new company didn't want to pay for my migraine drugs.. migraine, not serious conditions like cancer or heart problems. I had to fight with them and provide evidence that I had been getting treatment before the changeover. It's not like migraine meds have street value and they were just being careful. It was just another greedy insurance carrier trying to get away with providing as little as possible.
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Wow.

For-profit, private insurance has it's place. But I don't think it should be the lynchpin in a national healthcare policy. What do private insurance companies actually do, besides find ways to make profit? They do not actually provide healthcare or anything remotely approaching healthcare.

I am amazed how quickly rightwing dupes fall for the "Canadian Healthcare Sucks" propaganda.

Lastly, I think you would be surprised, possibly even stunned, at how many message board rightwingers are on Medicare, Medicaid, social security disability, or military provided insurance, yet will wail and bellow against other people having government subsidized health care.
 
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That's always been the procedure. I worked at places where the insurance carrier changed . All I needed to do was show that I was already receiving medical attention for a particular ailment and it was then continued under the new carrier. No big deal. It's insurance after all. One gets insurance to cover things that may occur in the future. That's the definition of insurance. One gets car insurance before there's a wreck. Home owners insurance before the fire. Boat insurance before the accident. Health insurance before the need. Life insurance before the death and funeral expenses. (Of course these days people just take to Gofundme for others to pick up their tab after the fact).

I believe there is disability help and coverage through Medicare and Medicaid for long term or congenital disease. (SSI)
 
christiefan915 said:
How do these numbers compare for wait times in the US?

I have a family member that needed a hip replacement, had first doctor's appointment in early October, doc told her she couldn't have the surgery until February unless she scheduled for Thanksgiving weekend, which she did.
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why didn't Trump want her to have her hip replaced?.....
 
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