Are we seeing a new kind of Taliban?

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The men who seized Kabul with such ease last weekend are doing their best to sound more moderate. Women, they say, should be allowed to work and have an education. They have offered amnesty to officials of the now-deposed Afghan government, something the old Taliban never dreamed of doing. It’s far too early to tell just how much of this will last. But the more interesting question is not about the elders but the next generation of Taliban: the young commanders who were really the ones who conquered Kabul.

The Taliban never really showed much interest in exporting their type of Islamic revolution around the world. They only cared about Afghanistan. But the new, younger members are much more militant and radical. Many have been jailed for extremism. Quite a few have been in Guantanamo and were heavily influenced by al Qaeda and its brand of international jihad.

About a dozen hardline groups from Pakistan, central Asia, Russia and even China have been fighting with the Taliban for years. They have come to exercise enormous influence within the rank and file. These young guns will now be saying: ‘Why stop at Kabul? We have just defeated the world’s greatest military power! We should take our jihad to our Muslim neighbours and convert them to our cause.’ The older Taliban will be less interested in this approach. But it’s unclear how much power they wield.

The last time the Taliban took over, there were three phases. The first was public relations: promising to end corruption, deliver food, services and all the rest of it. Then came the second phase: public mismanagement, economic disaster, food shortages and a drug crisis. The Taliban was just not ready to govern. Then the final phase: all-out conflict with the public —Sharia punishment, beheadings, hand-chopping, and the subjucation of women.

Will it end that way this time? It’s far too early to say. But it’s worth pointing out that we still have no idea how the Taliban intend to govern. They have rejected the loya jirga, the tribal government that has previously decided Afghanistan’s political future. The hope is that the new Taliban become a coalition government, with well-known politicians and ethnic minorities. But if the Taliban are going to impress the Afghan public and the international community, they must set up a modern system. And if this is going to be an interim government, will the public be given a say in deciding who becomes the next leader of Afghanistan?

The truth is that, 20 years on, there’s no sign that the Taliban has learnt how to run a country. Elderly and more middle-aged Taliban leaders have made statements about behaving well and keeping the peace, but there is still plenty to be concerned about.
How will they treat journalists, for example? Afghanistan has dozens of TV channels, many of which have now shut down. More than a thousand women work for the media in Afghanistan. Most will leave their jobs, not because the Taliban has told them to, but because they’re scared. They have no idea what kind of regime awaits them.

It’s likely the Taliban don’t know either. The younger leaders are likely to be more hot-headed and keen to return to a more brutal form of leadership. Is the Taliban leadership strong enough to control the younger commanders? In the next few months, we will find out.

WRITTEN BY
Ahmed Rashid
Ahmed Rashid is the author of Taliban and Descent into Chaos.
 
I do buy the general principle that the Taliban want the US citizens out of Afghanistan however they are also very decentralized so all it takes is one.

I think that the taliban as a whole does realize they will need civil servants to keep things running but again the decentralization means that the individual fighters may not all see it that way.
 
they are not all that more backward than the saudis and the saudis are the largest funders and members of al qaeda and ISIS. and somehow we get along with them.
 
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Most voters deem Biden unfit to be president, poll shows

Fewer than 40 percent of likely voters believe Joe Biden is carrying out the duties of the presidency, according to a poll released Friday as the US evacuation of Afghanistan continues to spiral out of control.

The survey from Rasmussen Reports found that just 39 percent of respondents thought that Biden was “doing the job of president,” while 51 percent answered that “others are making decisions” for the 78-year-old, and 10 percent said they were not sure. That represents a drastic drop from a similar poll conducted in March, when the response to that question was evenly divided 47-47.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/most-...o-do-job-mentally-unfit-to-be-president-poll/
 
The Taliban consists of all sorts of groups of trumper-types from the very deep back-country. At the moment scarcely any money is coming in, but big business will in the long run be interested in exploiting their mines and their poppies, doubtless. At the moments you hardly have the makings of a workable state, whereas Saudi Arabia has always had the Muslim holy places to pay for its dictatorship, even before they started on oil.
 
The Taliban consists of all sorts of groups of trumper-types from the very deep back-country. At the moment scarcely any money is coming in, but big business will in the long run be interested in exploiting their mines and their poppies, doubtless. At the moments you hardly have the makings of a workable state, whereas Saudi Arabia has always had the Muslim holy places to pay for its dictatorship, even before they started on oil.

Wow, you said something sensical lol.

The Taliban is going to have its factions so there’s the hope that a more moderate faction could rule. But a fools hope is all that Biden left us.

Which is the whole point. Why in the world did we take this gambit when there are *thousands* of American citizens at stake? No one has an answer for it.
 
Wow, you said something sensical lol.

The Taliban is going to have its factions so there’s the hope that a more moderate faction could rule. But a fools hope is all that Biden left us.

Which is the whole point. Why in the world did we take this gambit when there are *thousands* of American citizens at stake? No one has an answer for it.

As Winston Churchill said, even (Welsh) fools are right sometimes.
 
they are not all that more backward than the saudis and the saudis are the largest funders and members of al qaeda and ISIS. and somehow we get along with them.

you find it strange that we get along with the Saudis.......we find it strange that you get along with ISIS, AQ and the Taliban........
 
Wow, you said something sensical lol.

The Taliban is going to have its factions so there’s the hope that a more moderate faction could rule. But a fools hope is all that Biden left us.

Which is the whole point. Why in the world did we take this gambit when there are *thousands* of American citizens at stake? No one has an answer for it.

and how many at risk if we left soldiers there for another 20 years, dipshit?
 
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The men who seized Kabul with such ease last weekend are doing their best to sound more moderate. Women, they say, should be allowed to work and have an education. They have offered amnesty to officials of the now-deposed Afghan government, something the old Taliban never dreamed of doing. It’s far too early to tell just how much of this will last. But the more interesting question is not about the elders but the next generation of Taliban: the young commanders who were really the ones who conquered Kabul.

The Taliban never really showed much interest in exporting their type of Islamic revolution around the world. They only cared about Afghanistan. But the new, younger members are much more militant and radical. Many have been jailed for extremism. Quite a few have been in Guantanamo and were heavily influenced by al Qaeda and its brand of international jihad.

About a dozen hardline groups from Pakistan, central Asia, Russia and even China have been fighting with the Taliban for years. They have come to exercise enormous influence within the rank and file. These young guns will now be saying: ‘Why stop at Kabul? We have just defeated the world’s greatest military power! We should take our jihad to our Muslim neighbours and convert them to our cause.’ The older Taliban will be less interested in this approach. But it’s unclear how much power they wield.

The last time the Taliban took over, there were three phases. The first was public relations: promising to end corruption, deliver food, services and all the rest of it. Then came the second phase: public mismanagement, economic disaster, food shortages and a drug crisis. The Taliban was just not ready to govern. Then the final phase: all-out conflict with the public —Sharia punishment, beheadings, hand-chopping, and the subjucation of women.

Will it end that way this time? It’s far too early to say. But it’s worth pointing out that we still have no idea how the Taliban intend to govern. They have rejected the loya jirga, the tribal government that has previously decided Afghanistan’s political future. The hope is that the new Taliban become a coalition government, with well-known politicians and ethnic minorities. But if the Taliban are going to impress the Afghan public and the international community, they must set up a modern system. And if this is going to be an interim government, will the public be given a say in deciding who becomes the next leader of Afghanistan?

The truth is that, 20 years on, there’s no sign that the Taliban has learnt how to run a country. Elderly and more middle-aged Taliban leaders have made statements about behaving well and keeping the peace, but there is still plenty to be concerned about.
How will they treat journalists, for example? Afghanistan has dozens of TV channels, many of which have now shut down. More than a thousand women work for the media in Afghanistan. Most will leave their jobs, not because the Taliban has told them to, but because they’re scared. They have no idea what kind of regime awaits them.

It’s likely the Taliban don’t know either. The younger leaders are likely to be more hot-headed and keen to return to a more brutal form of leadership. Is the Taliban leadership strong enough to control the younger commanders? In the next few months, we will find out.

WRITTEN BY
Ahmed Rashid
Ahmed Rashid is the author of Taliban and Descent into Chaos.

They look like the Ku Klux Klan.
 
I dont think we're gonna see any enlightenment from the New Taliban.. so far it's the same old Salafist Sharia
 
Taliban leadership says they want to be on the world stage. They claim they are not the Taliban of 20 years ago or the even worse one of history. That may be why they are watching Americans leave by the planeload. Almost all of us doubt them. Religion is a nasty tool for leaders to use.
I saw a woman who was running a girls school in Kabul interviewed. She was visited by the Taliban a few days ago asking her about her ongoing expansion. She told them what she did and they left in peace. SHE believes they are different.
I am a skeptic by nature, so I will watch to see what unfolds. But the possibility exists.
 
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The men who seized Kabul with such ease last weekend are doing their best to sound more moderate. Women, they say, should be allowed to work and have an education. They have offered amnesty to officials of the now-deposed Afghan government, something the old Taliban never dreamed of doing. It’s far too early to tell just how much of this will last. But the more interesting question is not about the elders but the next generation of Taliban: the young commanders who were really the ones who conquered Kabul.

The Taliban never really showed much interest in exporting their type of Islamic revolution around the world. They only cared about Afghanistan. But the new, younger members are much more militant and radical. Many have been jailed for extremism. Quite a few have been in Guantanamo and were heavily influenced by al Qaeda and its brand of international jihad.

About a dozen hardline groups from Pakistan, central Asia, Russia and even China have been fighting with the Taliban for years. They have come to exercise enormous influence within the rank and file. These young guns will now be saying: ‘Why stop at Kabul? We have just defeated the world’s greatest military power! We should take our jihad to our Muslim neighbours and convert them to our cause.’ The older Taliban will be less interested in this approach. But it’s unclear how much power they wield.

The last time the Taliban took over, there were three phases. The first was public relations: promising to end corruption, deliver food, services and all the rest of it. Then came the second phase: public mismanagement, economic disaster, food shortages and a drug crisis. The Taliban was just not ready to govern. Then the final phase: all-out conflict with the public —Sharia punishment, beheadings, hand-chopping, and the subjucation of women.

Will it end that way this time? It’s far too early to say. But it’s worth pointing out that we still have no idea how the Taliban intend to govern. They have rejected the loya jirga, the tribal government that has previously decided Afghanistan’s political future. The hope is that the new Taliban become a coalition government, with well-known politicians and ethnic minorities. But if the Taliban are going to impress the Afghan public and the international community, they must set up a modern system. And if this is going to be an interim government, will the public be given a say in deciding who becomes the next leader of Afghanistan?

The truth is that, 20 years on, there’s no sign that the Taliban has learnt how to run a country. Elderly and more middle-aged Taliban leaders have made statements about behaving well and keeping the peace, but there is still plenty to be concerned about.
How will they treat journalists, for example? Afghanistan has dozens of TV channels, many of which have now shut down. More than a thousand women work for the media in Afghanistan. Most will leave their jobs, not because the Taliban has told them to, but because they’re scared. They have no idea what kind of regime awaits them.

It’s likely the Taliban don’t know either. The younger leaders are likely to be more hot-headed and keen to return to a more brutal form of leadership. Is the Taliban leadership strong enough to control the younger commanders? In the next few months, we will find out.

WRITTEN BY
Ahmed Rashid
Ahmed Rashid is the author of Taliban and Descent into Chaos.

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