Are the existence of matter and energy life's ONLY mysteries?

[Tobytone]

You are not alone in this. Many people are terrified of a meaningless existence.

I didn't say terrified, that's your mind creating a narrative that way off the mark. It's a common mistake so I won't hold it against you.

 

[Daylight63]

I didn't say terrified, that's your mind creating a narrative that way off the mark. It's a common mistake so I won't hold it against you.

Sure you're terrified of it. Why wouldn't you be?

 

[Cypress]

Here's a HUGE Puzzler: where does 1+1=2 come from?

The universe 'knew' what the quantities 1 and 2 are, billions of years before humans came along. Binary star systems and singular star system depend on there being a quantifiable distinction between a pair and a single

Just because they give you a chance to "show off" by listing random things like "quantum fields"

"Random"?
Quantum field theory is the overarching modern understanding of the interactions between all subatomic fundamental particles.

Why should I not use the correct terminology and concepts for the subject of the thread: physical reality?

Anyone who took freshman college physics or any layperson who reads popular science journalism is familiar with concept. The fact you thought the terminology was 'random' and exotic is more a reflection on you.

doesn't mean that EQUATIONS are evidence of God.

It's not proof of God.
But for people who assert that organization and design require a designer, and rational physical laws require a law-giver, this is perfectly good circumstantial evidence, even if one doesn't want to agree with it.

 

[Tobytone]

So here is the problem with the Theory of Abiogenesis (which claims that life on Earth came about through a series of random unspecified events):

Assuming this theory to be True for a moment, say a cell manages to come about. What's it going to eat? It can't use light (photosynthesis requires a complex structure). This single accident must gain energy somehow in order to divide, and it can't use light.

Assuming that somehow TWO cells happen randomly independent of each other. Now one can eat the other, and gain sufficient energy to divide once. Now what? You still have only two cells!

Then, of course, there is the Theory of Creation, which states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence. In effect, the Earth was seeded by an outside source.

The Theory of Creation usually assumes some sort of god or gods, but it could be anything. For all we know, we are the result of a horrible lab accident and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it!

The Theory of Creation is mutually exclusive with the Theory of Abiogenesis. If one is True, the other MUST be False.

Neither theory is a theory of science. They are both religions.

There are also two mutually exclusive theories concerning the Universe as a whole (pardon my choice of words, since the size of the Universe is a Nan and is infinite for all we know).

The Theory of the Big Bang states that the Universe originated from some kind of explosion, and that the Universe is 'expanding'. This is kinda weird, since the Universe has no known boundary. So what's 'expanding'?? Worse, if a god or gods caused this, where were they? There was no Universe yet!

A mutually exclusive theory is the Theory of the Continuum. This simply states the Universe has always existed, and always will. It was never created, since it has always existed.

Both of these theories are also not theories of science. They are both religions.

The Bible refers to God as 'from Everlasting to Everlasting', which would be more consistent with the Theory of the Continuum and the Theory of Creation. Most any religion claiming some sort of god or gods face this same logic.

You're preaching to the choir, but I suspect you know this.

 

[Daylight63]

Anyone who took freshman college physics or any layperson who reads popular science journalism is familiar with concept. The fact you thought the terminology was 'random' and exotic is more a reflection on you.

Cy, no one anywhere near JPP is actually that familiar with the topic. They know the WORDS just like you do, but they don't know the topic.

God you are so desperate.

 

[Cypress]

Universal constants are not dependent on the universe.

Nobody knows why they exist, why they have the values they do, or where they come from. It's an open philosophical question.

WTF is an 'eternal logo'????

From the Bible. From the Greek, and from Gospel of John, God is the eternal logos. But I think the Greek use is a better term, because one can apply it to dieism, pantheism, or monotheistic religions equally well

 

[Tobytone]

Sure you're terrified of it. Why wouldn't you be?

Oh, Dirty Daylight, fancy yourself a mind reader now? I wager it’s your own jitters fueling that confidence. In my experience, atheists tend to quake at the thought of death, the fear creeping deeper with age, often hand-in-hand with a sour edge and a scowl. You won’t catch a cheery old atheist whistling through life, their faces are practically carved with bitterness, the kind that snaps at kids romping on their lawn. Nursing homes brim with them, abandoned by families frayed by their ceaseless grumbling. I can’t name a single atheist codger who’d claim contentment, they’d sooner snarl at the question. Happily, I don’t dread death or shy from joy, I’m grateful for life, spying its divine spark in everything I see, even atheists. It’s a vibrant world you can only jeer at, blind to a life unburdened by fear or venom. Now, for the jeering, lol.

 

[Cypress]

Cy, no one anywhere near JPP is actually that familiar with the topic.

Perry claims nobody on JPP can dare mention any scientific, legal, historical, engineering, political, or medical concepts unless they are a degreed expert in the field.

'Fields' and field theory are not an exotic concept at the basic conceptual level Perry, lol. Unless your mind simply cannot fathom a gravitational field, an electrical field, or a magnetic field.

Your free to frantically Google any terms I use if you get flummlauoxed. I've never used any terms or concepts that aren't available to the well educated college graduate or well read laypersons at the basic conceptual level.

 

[Daylight63]

Perry claims nobody on JPP can dare mention any scientific, legal, historical, engineering, political, or medical concepts unless they are a degreed expert in the field.

'Fields' and field theory are not an exotic concept at the basic conceptual level Perry, lol. Unless your mind simply cannot fathom a gravitational field, an electrical field, or a magnetic field.

Your free to frantically Google any terms I use if you get flummlauoxed. I've never used any terms or concepts that aren't available to the well educated college graduate or well read laypersons at the basic conceptual level.

LOL. Now Cypress wants everyone to think he understands quantum fields.

Gimme a break.

Just stop it, Cy. You are making everyone laugh (except Dutchie....he actually BELIEVES you....but then he also believes he flew outside of space and time on a non-near death near death experience, so, it figures.)

 

[Daylight63]

Oh, Dirty Daylight, fancy yourself a mind reader now? I wager it’s your own jitters fueling that confidence. In my experience, atheists tend to quake at the thought of death, the fear creeping deeper with age, often hand-in-hand with a sour edge and a scowl. You won’t catch a cheery old atheist whistling through life, their faces are practically carved with bitterness, the kind that snaps at kids romping on their lawn. Nursing homes brim with them, abandoned by families frayed by their ceaseless grumbling. I can’t name a single atheist codger who’d claim contentment, they’d sooner snarl at the question. Happily, I don’t dread death or shy from joy, I’m grateful for life, spying its divine spark in everything I see, even atheists. It’s a vibrant world you can only jeer at, blind to a life unburdened by fear or venom. Now, for the jeering, lol.

LOL. You are entertaining.

 

[Hume]

Infinity does not exist in physical reality, even though it is a real mathematical entity.

A symbol of infinity is not ontic.

 

[Hume]

Mathematics does not need material, Hugo.

shut up you stupid asshole

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

You know my explanation already.
Right or wrong, it's the only one that appears possible to me.

I believe the universe is infinite
because anything not infinite has boundaries
and every boundary has something on the other side of it,
even if it's an infinite vacuum.

Anything that is actually possible to exist,
including the most complex of mathematical laws,
HAS to ultimately manifest itself in an infinite universe.

It's all, in my personal view, some kind of random confluence of matter and energy factors.

Even the thoughts in our head,
including our core values, are totally organic--random electrical impulses between neurons--

appearing to have logic only because every combination of everything is going to exist in infinity.
1-2-3-4-5-6 is a winning PowerBall ticket somewhere in this universe.

I'm not proselytizing this theory.
I'm accepting it for myself because it's the only conclusion to which I'm able to arrive.

I listen to other theories with interest,
but in the end, they take on the appearance of something imagined under self-imposed duress,

Because you're a devout ashiest/democrat is why you can't imagine the truth.

 

[Into the Night]

Infinity does not exist in physical reality, even though it is a real mathematical entity.

Mathematics is real, Sybil.

There is no such thing in physical reality as an absolutely perfect circle or perfect right triangle, so A=pi×r^2 or the Pythagorean theorem are idealized immaterial relationships we cannot reproduce in real space.

Mathematics is real, Sybil.

The value of pi and e, and all irrational numbers are idealized mathematical concepts we can only approximate in reality because they are infinitely repeating decimal expansions

Yet they are real, Sybil.

The electroweak and strong forces existed and were unified fractions of a second before quarks, protons, and neutrons existed.

They still exist, Sybil.

Illiteracy: Tense problem. Religion used as 'science'.

You're just bullshitting again, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Sure you're terrified of it. Why wouldn't you be?

Repetition (chanting). RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

The universe 'knew' what the quantities 1 and 2 are,

The Universe doesn't 'know' anything, Sybil. It simply exists.
The values '1' and '0' are defined by axiom. The value '2' is defined by a proof.

billions of years before humans came along.

Humans wrote those axioms, Sybil.

Binary star systems and singular star system depend on there being a quantifiable distinction between a pair and a single

No such concept before humans, Sybil.

"Random"?
Quantum field theory is the overarching modern understanding of the interactions between all subatomic fundamental particles.

There is no such thing as 'quantum field theory'. Buzzword fallacy. You're bullshitting again.

Why should I not use the correct terminology and concepts for the subject of the thread: physical reality?

Because you don't have any clue what the terminology (if any) IS.

Anyone who took freshman college physics or any layperson who reads popular science journalism is familiar with concept.

Random words. No apparent coherency.

The fact you thought the terminology was 'random' and exotic is more a reflection on you.

Attempted justification of random words. No apparent coherency.

It's not proof of God.

No one said it was, Sybil.

But for people who assert that organization and design require a designer,

It does...by definition.

and rational physical laws require a law-giver,

They do. The person that comes up with the theory of science and transposes it into a closed functional system is the law-giver.

this is perfectly good circumstantial evidence, even if one doesn't want to agree with it.

Void argument fallacy. Agree with what, Sybil??????

 

[Into the Night]

You're preaching to the choir, but I suspect you know this.

Heh. The choir at least listens!

 

[Into the Night]

Cy, no one anywhere near JPP is actually that familiar with the topic. They know the WORDS just like you do, but they don't know the topic.

God you are so desperate.

He has no topic.

 

[Into the Night]

Nobody knows why they exist,

A universal constant is there to convert a relation to our units of measurement. That's why they exist.

why they have the values they do,

They have the values they do to convert a relation to our units of measurement.

or where they come from. It's an open philosophical question.

They come from people, Sybil.

From the Bible.

No universal constant in mathematics comes from the Bible, Sybil.

From the Greek, and from Gospel of John, God is the eternal logos. But I think the Greek use is a better term, because one can apply it to dieism, pantheism, or monotheistic religions equally well

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

Perry claims nobody on JPP can dare mention any scientific, legal, historical, engineering, political, or medical concepts unless they are a degreed expert in the field.

Blatant lie (synthesis). He never said any such thing, Sybil. Mantra 40a.

'Fields' and field theory are not an exotic concept at the basic conceptual level Perry, lol. Unless your mind simply cannot fathom a gravitational field, an electrical field, or a magnetic field.

They are quite easy to fathom, since they are simply models in theories of science.

Your free to frantically Google any terms I use if you get flummlauoxed.

You are describing yourself, and you REMAIN a bullshitter.

I've never used any terms or concepts that aren't available to the well educated college graduate or well read laypersons at the basic conceptual level.

And you understand NONE of them!