Are biometric ID’s the next COVID fight?

[AProudLefty]

It's commonly used in secure facilities and for clearing customs. It's faster and more efficient than scanning passports and waiting to see if someone pops on a watch list.

It's a very effective way to tell the difference between John Smith, the carpet salesman and John Smith, the dishonorably discharged ex-Marine plotting to murder as many Americans as he can with a car bomb.

Remember this scene? He wouldn't participate with Batman. It's a dilemma.

 

[Into the Night]

Fingerprints as a source of determining who did a crime without that person already being linked to that crime by other means was until very recently nonexistent.

It still is. It is very rare for a complete set of fingerprints to be left by a criminal.

No police department could go through tens of thousands, or more, of fingerprint cards manually trying to link a set to one on record.

True.

Even with computerized matching, fingerprinting as a method to ID a criminal as a primary means of catching them can take days of time and is more rarely used than most people believe.

It is still not used as a primary means of catching criminals. It can be used as evidence in a court that a someone was at the scene of a crime. Depending on the completeness of the prints left, and their quality, that evidence will have different weight to a jury.

Biometric ID isn't the problem per se.

It is a problem. Biometrics change. Fingerprints can change simply due to a cut on the finger that hasn't healed properly, or the loss of a finger entirely.
Electronic scanners are easily fooled by fake fingerprints, or even by differences in moisture content on the finger at a time.

It's when such databases are linked to computers and automated surveillance that it does.

Such as in a Las Vegas casino? Yup. all these things are used there.

I once reported to a pit boss of an altercation between two people in the parking garage that was becoming violent. Despite these two being outside the view of any cameras there, security was easily able to find them from the description of the location I gave. From that moment I reported the incident, I moved across the Casino to play poker. Security was easily able to locate me, take me aside, and thanked me for my report, and to tell me the resolution of it. The other players saw this and immediately assumed I was cheating at poker or something. When I sat down again, there was suddenly new respect for me at that table!

Do you want to know how many hands I won simply by bluffing from that point on? It was hilarious!

What happens when public security cameras and such scan every face for a match to a database to place a particular person at some location?

Already happens in Las Vegas casinos, and a lot of indian casinos as well.

On the street in the cities, there are a LOT of security cameras around, most of them privately owned and operated. Yes, people do submit their video to the police when a crime is committed in their vicinity. That DOES get used in court.
Nabbed several of these violent thugs in Seattle this way!

That's the real danger here.

A danger? No.

The problem with Big Brother is who is watching the watchers, and who is watching those watching the watchers? How many watchers do you need to watch the population at large? A lot more than you think!

Most videos you see submitted to courts are from privately owned security cameras at some store or business. Government can't even accurately tell what's going on outside of their traffic cameras, or even much of the time can't even see what is actually causing a traffic jam.

Casinos are not only watching the players, they are watching the dealers. It is the dealers that have their hands on the money. To a dealer, that camera can be your best friend, or your worst enemy. Follow the law and deal a straight game and no one can touch you.

Out in the suburbs, and out in the country, there are of course few cameras. We did nab a car prowler on our street using my neighbor's porch mounted security camera recently though. This lower had been stealing stuff in the area for several blocks around. It was to feed his drug habit. He's currently serving time in the Monroe State Penitentiary. Life sentence. Turned out this was his third conviction for a felony.

I found that people's lives in general is a pretty boring thing to track and watch. I have worked surveillance before. To get an idea of how pointless it all is worrying about this, watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on this very topic. Can it be abused? Yes. Is it always abused? No. I think you will find that those who abuse it don't get anywhere with it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Remember this scene? He wouldn't participate with Batman. It's a dilemma.

No. Great movie, but I've only seen it once. Heath Ledger was the best Joker in all the movies. I should watch it again.

 

[AProudLefty]

No. Great movie, but I've only seen it once. Heath Ledger was the best Joker in all the movies. I should watch it again.

Basically it's Patriot Act in a nutshell.

And I think I should watch it again too.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Basically it's Patriot Act in a nutshell.

And I think I should watch it again too.

The Patriot Act overreached because it removed freedoms rather than enhanced them.

 

[Into the Night]

Wait! Isn't requiring ID a violation of one's rights and unnecessary? Progressives, the Left, and Democrats keep telling us that about voting...

Requiring an ID is not a violation of one's right to vote. You have to register to vote. There is nothing wrong with having to show you are a citizen with the right to vote in that district.
Voter ID has been around a long time. Requiring a photo ID is no different and makes a better ID card. All this only works, of course, if polls are used for elections. The whole thing is completely pointless with mass mail-in voting.

 

[Into the Night]

now you are being a lying piece of shit again, boy. good god. after 4 years of trump, and the goddamn repubs in congress who protected his corrupt lying ass, you are spewing that retarded shit? what a dumbass punk you are!! by the way, bitch, SCOREBOARD-


Parties see big demographic changes despite overall static splitwww.nbcnews.com › politics › meet-the-press › parties-...
Jan 19, 2020 — A look at the numbers explains why. ... found that 42 percent of registered voters identified as Democrats, while 37 percent identified as Republicans. At the end of 2019, the figures showed 42 percent were Democrats and 37 ... an 11-point difference — 34 percent Republican versus 45 percent Democratic.

Argument from randU. You are making up numbers.

 

[Into the Night]

war is hell. good thing you were never involved in it.

He doesn't know. That's why he's so gung ho for war. You will find this true of many Democrats. They have never seen nor experienced that hell. Their idea of war came from the sanitized movie version.

 

[Into the Night]

I read that the docs were going to issue a card showing you were vaccinated. I do not know if they followed through. After a period of time, the vaccinated could go where others cannit. They should still social distance and mask. We do not want them as carriers.

Unconstitutional.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.
I am not infected. I am not a carrier. I cannot infect anyone.

 

[Into the Night]

you never answered my question.....what happens if a government agent kills an innocent bystander in the performance of their government job?

Watch him evade that one!

 

[Darth Omar]

You should really give more than 10 minutes for people to respond on a forum.

It was at least 20.

 

[Into the Night]

one extra vote will not hurt anybody.

Triviality fallacy.

one infected asshole could kill somebody.

Bigotry.

we know that many red states,

States have no color.

and recently trump,

Trump is not a State.

have started voter fraud investigations.

Nope. The evidence is of election fraud, not voter fraud, and election fraud on a massive scale.

..millions spent, years spent, and the result, only a handful of bad votes due to somebody IMPERSONATING somebody else in person at a voting booth that maybe a photo id could have stopped.

Denial of history.

but has anybody ever heard of imaging software

Sure. I once wrote some. It was used to monitor traffic flow for speed and volume using a simple camera mounted on a building overlooking the section of highway being monitored. Better systems are in place now, and the camera is now just being used as security camera on that property.

and how even a dullard could make a fake drivers license if he wanted to that most voting officials would not question?

That's the problem with any ID card. Some cards are harder to fake than others.

 

[War=Peace]

"We can biometrically identify the individual and tie them to the test results, as well as to a high security document. The person then has 'non-refutable' proof that they have immunity due to antibodies in their system," he said.

"It would be a very valuable credential," he told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. The nonprofit already provides biometric IDs for refugees and stateless people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...-be-gamechanger-for-tests-vaccines-624028/amp
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What’s next, patches? You’d think the Jews would know better than to go down this road.

So, who wants to ‘be credentialed’ and have their credentials ‘tied to a [global?] high security document’ over a virus with over 99% survival rate?

Next COVID fight?

This has always been THE fight.

The COVID Scam is about power & wealth; more of it for the powerful & wealthy.

Such tracking is inevitable.

 

[Into the Night]

a cop is nothing more than a government agent who carries a gun and extorts money from the citizenry upon threat of death

Bigotry. Cops are much more than this. In general, cops are great people, willing to take an interest in keeping the peace and preventing trouble from starting because someone wants to break the law. Sure, there are few power hungry types, and they should be fired. They are not helping to keep the peace, they are causing problems and putting a bad name on all the officers in the force.

They are authorized to defend themselves with deadly force and to defend the public with deadly force, just as I am as a citizen. They carry guns just as I do. Many police in our area carry a Glock, just as I do.

If police arrest you for a crime, they are not interested in money. Bribing a policeman is a felony. If any police or myself use our gun to extort money from people, that is a felony.

ROFL..........your naivete could be charming, if you didn't display such a huge amount of it.

I think the naivete is yours. You are assuming all police are bad. That is just bigotry. Dutch Uncle is right on this one. Police ARE under scrutiny. Many are required to wear body cameras now. Each time one brings someone to court, they can and often are called as witnesses. If they fail to appear, then their supposed testimony is null and void, and they CAN be brought up on contempt of court charges.

well lucky for everyone involved that a single incident isn't an act of war against the people. ruby ridge and waco, however, were.

Agreed. These two skirmishes were acts of war against the people of the United States by rogue federal agents and a rogue attorney general. The Oklahoma bombing was in retaliation for these acts, thought the target chosen was poorly considered, and it's execution was poorly conceived (McVeigh was caught).

when the chief of police backs his officers no matter what, do you buy it because a cop said it?

No. What a policeman does in the line of duty is strictly that, in the line of duty. Anything else he is just a normal Joe. He is subject to the same laws as you and I. His line of duty is clearly defined by law.

You might think i'm sick, but I think you're a scared sheep who needs his nanny state, no matter how unconstitutional it acts

Bingo. That's exactly what he is.

 

[Into the Night]

No, it's that we don't trust politicians. None of them have the best grasp of what a leader really needs because most of them have never experienced what the majority even go through day to day. If merit picked leaders from the pool rather than money we'd have a great start. People foolishly thought Trump was a big change in having a yes man to the elite but it was literally just cutting out the middle man and just giving it to the elite.

What elite? It's the Democrats that want to be 'the elite' here.

 

[Into the Night]

only if we lose. if you were a Marine (something i'm beginning to doubt), you'd know of our abilities............7 good Marine riflemen could literally lockdown a fair sized city, leaving it's police forces too terrified to step outside of their safe deparment buildings

Thank you for your service, sir. I assume you are (or were) a Marine?

 

[Into the Night]

All on my ignore list

Flapping your ego again?

 

[Into the Night]

It was at least 20.

Not according to the system clock. It was 11 minutes.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Bigotry. Cops are much more than this. In general, cops are great people, willing to take an interest in keeping the peace and preventing trouble from starting because someone wants to break the law. Sure, there are few power hungry types, and they should be fired. They are not helping to keep the peace, they are causing problems and putting a bad name on all the officers in the force.

They are authorized to defend themselves with deadly force and to defend the public with deadly force, just as I am as a citizen. They carry guns just as I do. Many police in our area carry a Glock, just as I do.

If police arrest you for a crime, they are not interested in money. Bribing a policeman is a felony. If any police or myself use our gun to extort money from people, that is a felony.


I think the naivete is yours. You are assuming all police are bad. That is just bigotry. Dutch Uncle is right on this one. Police ARE under scrutiny. Many are required to wear body cameras now. Each time one brings someone to court, they can and often are called as witnesses. If they fail to appear, then their supposed testimony is null and void, and they CAN be brought up on contempt of court charges.

Agreed. These two skirmishes were acts of war against the people of the United States by rogue federal agents and a rogue attorney general. The Oklahoma bombing was in retaliation for these acts, thought the target chosen was poorly considered, and it's execution was poorly conceived (McVeigh was caught).

No. What a policeman does in the line of duty is strictly that, in the line of duty. Anything else he is just a normal Joe. He is subject to the same laws as you and I. His line of duty is clearly defined by law.

our viewpoints are very different............based upon our experiences, i'm sure

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Thank you for your service, sir. I assume you are (or were) a Marine?

84-90. thank you