LIberty in what sense? LIfe in what sense? We all know those two things can be taken.
Are all men are created equal?
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LIberty in what sense? LIfe in what sense? We all know those two things can be taken.
Eagle_Eye
Well-known member
Yes, in the eyes of our maker.
freedom from coercion and control.
Yes, it can be taken away. That's the point of the 18th century Enlightenment thinkers, and it even goes back to the Greek playwright Sophocles. There is a law of nature, a law of God that exists independent of human law. Even though Alexander Solzhenitsyn was thrown in the Gulag, he still had a right to life and liberty, even if under Soviet law it was violated. His natural rights in the eyes of nature and God didn't change because of what the Soviets did.
Agreed. Also, before the law although it doesn’t always work out that way because humans are fallible.
For the time, it was, literally, a revolutionary idea since most Euros, being monarchists, believed that people could be ranked. Let’s not forget that the Brits also though the Irish and Welsh were a subhuman race.
The idea of democracy and equality was not only part of the American Revolution but also the French with Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Unfortunately, the French soon fell back to their old ways under Napoleon just like the Russians fell back under Putin.
IMO, history proves that human beings crave freedom after they’ve tasted it, but to maintain their freedom requires certain economic and social conditions. Both France and Russia fell back after their revolutions due to the inability to maintain those conditions. The US was different because it was a frontier with the ability to expand into a wilderness rather than a 1500 year old civilization like Europe. Still, human advancements are often two steps forward, one step back. Authoritarianism, be it fascism or socialism, is one step back since it limits freedom.
It doesn't seem to bother you that there are three billion posts yucking it up about Biden being a pedophileYou must have an extra chromosome or some shit.
And you post about "pedo" way too much not to be overly interested in that.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
I do not agree.
I don't think there is a creator.
And I disagree with the 3/5 thing.
Here is what I favor:
Equality under the law is guaranteed by government.
I don't think there is a creator.
And I disagree with the 3/5 thing.
Here is what I favor:
Equality under the law is guaranteed by government.
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
That's because I know there's solid evidence for that.
Also, it does get repititious, but it's almost always TDAK who I don't pay much attention to anyway.
DU does it about Trump and Trump supporters all. the. fucking. time.
And there's not really convincing evidence to support his insinuations about Trump or his supporters at all.
It's all supposition, slander, and insinuations.
Look, I didn't want to believe anything bad about Biden. For years I said "Aw, he's just a touchy-feely guy."
Yeah, well that's just not the case.
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That's because I know there's solid evidence for that.
Also it does get repititious, but it's almost always TDAK who I don't pay much attention to anyway.
Bullshit.
ExpressLane
Verified User
Yes. Do you value their life unequally?
Something also forgotten was that there was a movement to set up an Aristocracy just like their European brethren. Mason feared his American brethren making the same mistakes and, IMO, that contributed to his concern about a Federal government replacing the Articles of Confederation.
That part of history is a not my forte’.
The moral power of natural law is it holds that natural rights exist whether or not a government sanctions it.
As a human being, we generally recognized Andrei Sakharov was entitled to liberty as a human being, even though under Soviet law he was incarcerated
Clearly the hypocrisy doesn’t bother Matt.
FWIW, it was Tranny Dick’s constant Pedo Joe posts that gave me the idea to post about Pedo Don. It worked better since there’s actual evidence that Pedo Don consorted and partied with his pedo friends who he “wished well”.
The framers of the constitution, especially the slaveowners, were flawed, and even immoral men
But in my opinion, the fact that Jefferson put down in writing the universalist natural law principles into our Declaration, memorialized it for all time, and provided a powerful legal and moral argument for the opponents of slavery and sexism in the years to come.
The moral power was so strong, the women who wrote the Seneca Declaration basically used the same rhetorical construction of natural law that Jefferson did.
The trajectory of American history benefited from the rhetorical arguments in the Declaration's preamble, imo.
That's because I know there's solid evidence for that.
Also, it does get repititious, but it's almost always TDAK who I don't pay much attention to anyway.
DU does it about Trump and Trump supporters all. the. fucking. time.
And there's not really convincing evidence to support his insinuations about Trump or his supporters at all.
It's all supposition, slander, and insinuations.
Look, I didn't want to believe anything bad about Biden. For years I said "Aw, he's just a touchy-feely guy."
Yeah, well that's just not the case.
So you're totally on board with the Biden is a pedophile train, but if someone makes a habit of calling Trump a pedophile, your first reaction is to run to the mods complaining
Yes, but it’s tragic their actions did not match their words. Fortunately, later generations are matching actions with words.
Matt Dillon
Retardium User
I didn't run to any mods. Just made a thread about his obsession, with documentation.
Still have 2/3 of the 1st page to go. The entire (shorter) 2nd page is done.
Yes, they fell short of the rhetoric, but the rhetoric and ideals they bequeathed to us was a powerful moral force in years to come.
None of that natural rights rhetoric existed before the enlightenment. The very rhetorical concept of liberty equality would have been foreign concepts prior to the 18th century.
You're obsessed with Biden. Can't you see the irony and hypocrisy?
Yakuda
Verified User
Every thread on this site about trump is started by one of you donkey fuckers and you have the nerve to call others obsessed with Brandon? At least Brandon is supposedly the (p)resident.