Archaeology of the New Testament

Cypress said:
I've read more Ehrman than anyone on this board.
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Maybe there's a different Bart Ehrman you're reading.
Cypress said:
If you are only reading Ehrman and other atheists, you are selecting material that you already know beforehand will only support your preconceived opinions. You obviously aren't reading alternative sources that will challenge your preconceived beliefs.
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Says the person who cherry-picked one quote from Ehrman and ignored his clear and well supported opinion about the Gospels.
Cypress said:
That's confirmation bias.
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Yes.
Cypress said:
Doesn't matter what he believes. As an academic it only matters what he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate.
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See above post regarding your cherry-picking.
Cypress said:
Ehrman is a committed atheist who expresses his opinions and biases on podcasts and blogs.

But when he's writing in a peer reviewed academic context, he is professionally obligated to be balanced and fair minded. He's very good at being balanced when he has guard rails of scholarly academic standards to adhere to.
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Then you should have no problem finding other support, from him, that shows he's inclined toward believing the Gospels were written by who the books say they were and that those people were the ones close to Jesus/Paul.
Cypress said:
That is precisely why I gave you a quote of his out of an academic context.
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It was from one of his publicly sold book, not an academic book.
Cypress said:
He does think ultimately that the gospel authors are anonymous, but I don't think he does a convincing job of dismissing evidence pointing to the gospel authors as they come to us from tradition.
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That's because you want to believe in Christianity and the Bible.
 
Guno צְבִי said:

Paul's famous revelation may have been 'caused by epileptic fit', say scientists​

Brite lights and loud sounds

Rather than hearing God talking to him, scientists in Israel have suggested Saint Paul’s revelation could have been brought about by an epileptic seizure,

www.independent.co.uk

Saint Paul may have been having a fit not hearing God

Researchers at Hadassah Medical Centre have scanned the brain of a man during a seizure while he also had visions of God
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Or not!
 
Cypress said:
Difficult to explain why Paul would have given up a comfortable career as a Pharisee because of an epileptic seizure for a life where he constantly faced risk, oppression, beatings, lashings, stonings, pirates, shipwrecks, imprisonment, execution.
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So what happened? Is it possible he saw a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus, exactly as Scripture says!
 
ZenMode said:
We've been through this several times....

First, if it's true that Jesus disciples believed they saw Jesus after his death, that doesn't mean they actually saw him after his death.

Second, since the gospel writers, who lived in other countries and very likely never met the disciples or met anyone who met any who met anyone who met a disciple, they're either a) working off of 10th hand information or simply making up things that sound good, like Matthew made up the story of the virgin birth because he wanted Jesus birth to fulfill OT prophecy.

I've never said they "lied their asses off". I did say, because there's reasons to believe it, they they made up some events or the details of some events.

Matthew misunderstood an OT verse and as a result, made up a story about Mary being a virgin. The story about the census was very likely made up.

I can go on and on.....
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Atheists always think they know all about what they don't believe in!
 
Cypress said:
I've read more Ehrman than anyone on this board.

If you are only reading Ehrman and other atheists, you are selecting material that you already know beforehand will only support your preconceived opinions. You obviously aren't reading alternative sources that will challenge your preconceived beliefs.

That's confirmation bias.


Doesn't matter what he believes. As an academic it only matters what he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate.

Ehrman is a committed atheist who expresses his opinions and biases on podcasts and blogs.

But when he's writing in a peer reviewed academic context, he is professionally obligated to be balanced and fair minded. He's very good at being balanced when he has guard rails of scholarly academic standards to adhere to.


That is precisely why I gave you a quote of his out of an academic context. He does think ultimately that the gospel authors are anonymous, but I don't think he does a convincing job of dismissing evidence pointing to the gospel authors as they come to us from tradition.
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I wouldn't brag about getting theology from Ehrman or any other atheist! Thing about Scriptures is to really ,I mean really comprehend it ,you need the Holy Spirit!
 
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