Appeals Court: Prop 8 Unconstitutional

My grasp on history is fine, you just have a mild comprehension problem. Yes, the SCOTUS, who often ultimately does rule on constitutionality of an issue, did indeed strike down the bans in loving... if it hadn't been for CRA64, there would have been no loving because there would be no legal basis. This is why such bans existed in the first place. AFTER passage of CRA, an avalanche of rulings followed, because the court was properly determining cases based on the law and the constitution.

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Well I didn't say the court "relied" on CRA64 in Loving, you misinterpreted me.

this is epic spin. you didn't say the actual word "relied" on....however...."if it hadn't been for CRA64, there would have been no loving because there would be no legal basis".....and then you say the court made an avalanche of rulings BECAUSE of CRA64.

let us break this down.

dixie: but for CRA64, there would be no loving

yurt: cite where the court relied on loving

dixie: well, i didn't say rely!!!!!

to rely on something is to depend on something, therefore, your claim that without CRA64, loving would not have happened, necessarily means - scotus relied on CRA64.

a simple - i was wrong will work dixie
 
Are you saying that they can marry someone they are in love with and want to spend the rest of their life with!! :good4u:

No, I said they have the same privilege as straight people when it comes to marriage. Marriage is the union of a man and woman, it's not prohibited to gays, and straight people aren't allowed to marry same sex. The right and privilege to marry is the same for both.

For the record, I can't marry the person I am in love with and want to spend the rest of my life with, because she doesn't consent, and doesn't even know I exist. Are you saying that we can pass a law where I actually get to marry a supermodel? Hey... you might get my attention there!!
 
No, I said they have the same privilege as people of the same color when it comes to marriage. Marriage is the union of a people of the same color, it's not prohibited to blacks, and blacks are allowed to marry other blacks. The right and privilege to marry is the same for both.

For the record, I can't marry the person I am in love with and want to spend the rest of my life with, because she doesn't consent, and doesn't even know I exist. Are you saying that we can pass a law where I actually get to marry a supermodel? Hey... you might get my attention there!!

see....easy
 
this is epic spin. you didn't say the actual word "relied" on....however...."if it hadn't been for CRA64, there would have been no loving because there would be no legal basis".....and then you say the court made an avalanche of rulings BECAUSE of CRA64.

let us break this down.

dixie: but for CRA64, there would be no loving

yurt: cite where the court relied on loving

dixie: well, i didn't say rely!!!!!

to rely on something is to depend on something, therefore, your claim that without CRA64, loving would not have happened, necessarily means - scotus relied on CRA64.

a simple - i was wrong will work dixie

There is no spin, except your head from the total PWNAGE you just experienced by me.

As I correctly, and aptly put it, without CRA there would have been no Loving... why do you suppose there hadn't been a Loving up until then, genius? It was because there was no legal basis on which to bring the case before the courts. Before CRA, and before Brown, blacks had very little recourse in courts on matters of discrimination, and it was mostly AFTER 1964, that such cases began to prevail in courts across America. The CRA guarantees that our constitution (and 14th Amendment) applies to people regardless of race. THAT was the basis for even being able to bring Loving before the courts and base it on the 14th Amendment.

I wasn't wrong. I didn't say what you claimed I said. What I said was correct and true.
 
There is no spin, except your head from the total PWNAGE you just experienced by me.

As I correctly, and aptly put it, without CRA there would have been no Loving... why do you suppose there hadn't been a Loving up until then, genius? It was because there was no legal basis on which to bring the case before the courts. Before CRA, and before Brown, blacks had very little recourse in courts on matters of discrimination, and it was mostly AFTER 1964, that such cases began to prevail in courts across America. The CRA guarantees that our constitution (and 14th Amendment) applies to people regardless of race. THAT was the basis for even being able to bring Loving before the courts and base it on the 14th Amendment.

I wasn't wrong. I didn't say what you claimed I said. What I said was correct and true.

dixie, you never disappoint. ok, since you're still going for this....

your claim is that, without, the CRA, loving would not have happened.

what is the definition of rely?
 
see....easy

No, not so easy...

No, I said they have the same privilege as people of the same color when it comes to marriage.
Marriage is the union of a people of the same color (IT HAS NEVER BEEN SO DEFINED), it's not prohibited to blacks, and blacks are allowed to marry other blacks.
The right and privilege to marry is the same for both.


Before 1964, and passage of the CRA, these were valid arguments, which is why interracial marriage was not permitted. Think about it, for 200 years before this, our country did not allow interracial marriages. Now, if it is so abundantly clear by the constitution that this is wrong, why did it take so long to change it? Well, it's because the interpretation of the constitution simply didn't apply to people of color in many cases, there was nothing in the Constitution prohibiting discrimination based on race.

Now..... Imagine someone had come along before 1964 and the CRA, and tried to have the courts mandate interracial marriage into existence, against the will of the people? Do you think there might have been a backlash? If some judge back in 1950, had ruled interracial marriage as law of the land, he would have probably been lynched. People were certainly lynched for much less. The point is, it took many years and a lot of struggle to get passage of the CRA, and it was because of this that much of the injustice and discrimination was lifted. It wasn't simply rammed down the throat of society against it's will by a judge, because liberals thought it was a good idea, it had to follow a course.

Homosexuality is not a race. It is not covered in the CRA. People who are homosexual have the same Constitutional rights as everyone else, no right is being denied to them. What you want is to hijack traditional marriage and call same sex unions the same thing, and they aren't. You want society, and more specifically, the government, to sanction and condone homosexuality, because you believe this will somehow legitimize the behavior in society. What you fail to understand is, society can't be forced to accept what they aren't ready to accept, and continuing to try and force that on them, will result in backlash and eventual rejection.

I've said this for years, gay people would be much better off if liberals and pro gay marriage idiots would shut the fuck up, and work with moderates toward some kind of civil unions legislation. In a matter of a decade, gay couples could be enjoying any and all benefits of their traditional counterparts, living their lives happily ever after.... but naaawwww.... we gotta start up another mammoth marathon thread and beat the same dead horse and throw up the same tired old strawmen arguments on interracial marriage, and never get anything accomplished... why? Because this is part of the left wing liberal agenda and war on traditional culture. Why are we not surprised to find Yurtster plopped comfortably down in the middle of it?
 
dixie, you never disappoint. ok, since you're still going for this....

your claim is that, without, the CRA, loving would not have happened.

what is the definition of rely?

I am not splitting words with you, moron.

You claimed that I stated "Loving relied on CRA64" and I didn't state that.

Even though you didn't apologize for lying about what I said, I am willing to let it go, but you want to continue on. How retarded can you get? No really.... just how retarded, Yurt?
 
I am not splitting words with you, moron.

You claimed that I stated "Loving relied on CRA64" and I didn't state that.

Even though you didn't apologize for lying about what I said, I am willing to let it go, but you want to continue on. How retarded can you get? No really.... just how retarded, Yurt?

and you fail to answer my question. why are you afraid to answer what the definition of rely is? are you that afraid of words? because you sure like to use them.

let it go dixie. i don't care. but the way i see you hang on to points when you think you are right, if you run away from this.......think about it.

if you don't put up a definition of "rely".....yurt will absolutely kick dixies ass

:D
 
No, not so easy...

No, I said they have the same privilege as people of the same color when it comes to marriage.
Marriage is the union of a people of the same color (IT HAS NEVER BEEN SO DEFINED), it's not prohibited to blacks, and blacks are allowed to marry other blacks.
The right and privilege to marry is the same for both.


Before 1964, and passage of the CRA, these were valid arguments, which is why interracial marriage was not permitted. Think about it, for 200 years before this, our country did not allow interracial marriages. Now, if it is so abundantly clear by the constitution that this is wrong, why did it take so long to change it? Well, it's because the interpretation of the constitution simply didn't apply to people of color in many cases, there was nothing in the Constitution prohibiting discrimination based on race.

Now..... Imagine someone had come along before 1964 and the CRA, and tried to have the courts mandate interracial marriage into existence, against the will of the people? Do you think there might have been a backlash? If some judge back in 1950, had ruled interracial marriage as law of the land, he would have probably been lynched. People were certainly lynched for much less. The point is, it took many years and a lot of struggle to get passage of the CRA, and it was because of this that much of the injustice and discrimination was lifted. It wasn't simply rammed down the throat of society against it's will by a judge, because liberals thought it was a good idea, it had to follow a course.

Homosexuality is not a race. It is not covered in the CRA. People who are homosexual have the same Constitutional rights as everyone else, no right is being denied to them. What you want is to hijack traditional marriage and call same sex unions the same thing, and they aren't. You want society, and more specifically, the government, to sanction and condone homosexuality, because you believe this will somehow legitimize the behavior in society. What you fail to understand is, society can't be forced to accept what they aren't ready to accept, and continuing to try and force that on them, will result in backlash and eventual rejection.

I've said this for years, gay people would be much better off if liberals and pro gay marriage idiots would shut the fuck up, and work with moderates toward some kind of civil unions legislation. In a matter of a decade, gay couples could be enjoying any and all benefits of their traditional counterparts, living their lives happily ever after.... but naaawwww.... we gotta start up another mammoth marathon thread and beat the same dead horse and throw up the same tired old strawmen arguments on interracial marriage, and never get anything accomplished... why? Because this is part of the left wing liberal agenda and war on traditional culture. Why are we not surprised to find Yurtster plopped comfortably down in the middle of it?

i will cut to the heart of this, and wish you would too. you actually made it much more simple by highlighting the words.

(IT HAS NEVER BEEN SO DEFINED),

1. show where marriage has 'ever' been defined in the US constitution

2. show where marriage has ever been defined, so as to not allow, blacks to marry whites.

you are all about DEFINED dixie. start defining....
 
and you fail to answer my question. why are you afraid to answer what the definition of rely is? are you that afraid of words? because you sure like to use them.

let it go dixie. i don't care. but the way i see you hang on to points when you think you are right, if you run away from this.......think about it.

if you don't put up a definition of "rely".....yurt will absolutely kick dixies ass

:D

I'm not afraid to answer, I don't know what purpose I would have in answering what the definition is, of a word I never used.

Yurt, you really need to seek some professional help, dude. It's like you are now making up things to argue about, which were never said. I've never seen such a meltdown. Usually when I PWN a pinhead, they just hurl a bunch of names at me, and tell me to fuck myself, then leave. You take it to a whole new level, don't ya?
 
No, I said they have the same privilege as straight people when it comes to marriage. Marriage is the union of a man and woman, it's not prohibited to gays, and straight people aren't allowed to marry same sex. The right and privilege to marry is the same for both.

For the record, I can't marry the person I am in love with and want to spend the rest of my life with, because she doesn't consent, and doesn't even know I exist. Are you saying that we can pass a law where I actually get to marry a supermodel? Hey... you might get my attention there!!


So if two hetrosexuals want to spend their lives in a married relationship, they're not allowed to do so??
 
i will cut to the heart of this, and wish you would too. you actually made it much more simple by highlighting the words.

1. show where marriage has 'ever' been defined in the US constitution

2. show where marriage has ever been defined, so as to not allow, blacks to marry whites.

you are all about DEFINED dixie. start defining....

Marriage isn't defined in the US Constitution, I thought that would be obvious, even to a retarded moron like you..... because, IF the constitution defined marriage, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation.

Marriage as we recognize it in this country, has remained largely unchanged since the 1500s and Martin Luther. To my knowledge, it has never been defined as people of the same race, although some cultures do hold that important and significant. Age parameters and other things have applied to marriage, but one thing it has always consistently been, is between a man and woman.

You are trying to change what marriage has always been, and call something else marriage, which isn't.
 
Not against heterosexuals and that's why it's going to be changed; so that two adults who love each other and want to live in a state of matrimoney, will be able two.

There is no discrimination, against hetero or homosexuals. Marriage is the union of a man and woman. It is not the union of two people of the same sexual orientation, that is something else.

And I doubt it is going to be changed anytime soon, the most liberal president in history will not endorse it, the most liberal state in America passed a ban on it. Across America, voters have rejected it at the ballot box, and now we appear to have a case heading to the SCOTUS on it, and I predict the SCOTUS will overturn the appeals court ruling, because Prop 8 is constitutional.

And just for the record, two people who love each other can presently live in a state of matrimony, even if they are of the same sex. There is no law prohibiting a gay couple from living together as "husband" and "wife" that I am aware of, they just can't obtain a state marriage certificate. They can be "married" all day long... they can have "weddings" and throw rice... make a scrapbook... the works! They can even buy a house together with a white picket fence and a Yorkie dog.
 
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