AOC Thinks Concentrated Wealth Is Incompatible With Democracy. So Did Our Founders.

Ralph said:
Exactly: The perfect example. The attempt to double down with ad homiem Bull Shit.
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Google "ad homiem." You're using the term incorrectly.

The founders believed in "LIBERALISM"....not social communism, a drastic difference. What you call LIBERAL today is self defined as PROGRESSIVE and did not exist until the turn of the 20th century. Ask any so called liberal to define themselves today....beginning with BJ Bills spouse. Does she self identify as being a LIBERAL? Of course not...she proudly claims to be a progressive leftist...aka, a socialist... a modern progressive (today those who Identify with true liberalism are nothing but LIBERALTERIAN) those who attempt to hide behind a liberal banner are nothing but PROGRESSIVE SOCIAL COMMUNISTS.
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Yes, I know all of that. The point is that the Founders believed concentrated wealth is bad for democracy. Call that whatever you want.
You're getting hung up on words and terms instead of meaning.
 
Ralph said:
Exactly: The perfect example. The attempt to double down with ad homiem Bull Shit. The founders believed in "LIBERALISM"....not social communism, a drastic difference. What you call LIBERAL today is self defined as PROGRESSIVE and did not exist until the turn of the 20th century. Ask any so called liberal to define themselves today....beginning with BJ Bills spouse. Does she self identify as being a LIBERAL? Of course not...she proudly claims to be a progressive leftist...aka, a socialist... a modern progressive (today those who Identify with true liberalism are nothing but LIBERALTERIAN) those who attempt to hide behind a liberal banner are nothing but PROGRESSIVE SOCIAL COMMUNISTS.

Regardless. Your BS has you expecting others to believe that "YOU" know what the founders believed some 250 years ago.....in spite of the objective, unambiguous text found to exist in history actual that "objectively" contradicts your ad hominem rhetoric.

When you attempt to add words that do not exist......that is called SUBJECTIVE BULLSHIT based upon personal opinion rather than the actual facts in evidence. :palm:


AD HOMINEM: appealing to personal considerations rather than to FACT or REASON.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=vji48Hejgzg
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If everyone would just get off this bullshit about labeling people with descriptors that mean different things to different people...maybe some kind of reasonable discussion can take place.

"Concentrated wealth" will be the death of any society. Either we start dealing with it...or we will die.

Good for AOC for mentioning it as often as she does.
 
the actual left is not so far from "trump deplorables".

this is the truth the globalists fear most. blue/red is false paradigm.
 
StoneByStone said:
When people say we should have free college and health care, they obviously mean free for the people using them. AOC's plan is to have these things paid for through taxes on the 1%.
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Obviously? The only thing that's obvious is she a is a dumb bitch that believes those unwilling to do for themselves should be given things funded by those that have shown they will do for themselves. No one owes someone unwilling to provide him/herself an education, food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, etc. a damn thing. They only thing someone like that is owed is to let them go without until they're willing to do for themselves.
 
AOC is incorrect or at least a radial perversion of what Jefferson and Company thought. What Jefferson thought that was British centered mercantile economy was a threat to freedom. Of course if Jefferson were alive today, he would cringe at what the DNC does to make people even more dependent of the government. The DNC is the anithesis to Jefferson. He would be more a libertarian.
 
The wealthy are not benign. They have been plotting to change America in fundamental ways. The Constitution and the people do not weigh heavily in their plans. The Koch bros have been making donations for decades that have hooks in them. They give huge amounts to select colleges, as long as they control what is taught and they control what is said about the environmet . Their father started the John Birch society and they have not moved from that crazy right wing insanity.
The wealthy have bought up the media. Their corporations own the TV stations, radio, newspapers, magazines and movie studios. He who controls the message, controls the people's minds.
The wealth gap is worse than the gilded age and it is getting wider by day. Trump's tax bill accelerated that.
The wealthy are creating a plutocracy.and the rightys have happily voted for it, They think their wealth is being given to the poor and minorities. That is one of the dumbest beliefs that a citizen can have. Look up. Look at those on the top and you will see they have confiscated America's wealth for their own. I know, lets eliminate the estate tax. That is only fair .
 
It always makes me laugh to watch leftists bemoan billionaires when 80% of the billionaires around are committed members of the democrat party

It is the middle class that pays the bills in this country

If you want to affect meaningful change in our tax code then repeal the 16th amendment
 
#MAGA said:
It always makes me laugh to watch leftists bemoan billionaires when 80% of the billionaires around are committed members of the democrat party

It is the middle class that pays the bills in this country

If you want to affect meaningful change in our tax code then repeal the 16th amendment
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And yet they flock to see Hamilton on Broadway that honors the man who created their mess.
 
#MAGA said:
It always makes me laugh to watch leftists bemoan billionaires when 80% of the billionaires around are committed members of the democratIC party

It is the middle class that pays the bills in this country

If you want to affect meaningful change in our tax code then repeal the 16th amendment
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link to your claims
 
Flash said:
U. S. Constitution: Article I, Section 9, Clause 4

That clause is why the income tax was declared unconstitutional. It was not apportioned among the states and the 16th Amendment changed that requirement.
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It is an interesting debate as to whether Fauxcahontas’ scheme to tax wealth would be constitutional

1) wealth isn’t income which the 16th amendment only addresses. So it fails that test

2) given that it would only apply to a certain population, it would fail the apportionment test

3) one could argue it violates 14th amendment

It is all academic however because it will never become law in the near future at least
 
Teddy Roosevelt warned us about the problems that concentrated wealth could cause. He started trust-busting in an attempt to fight off the concentrated power of corporations in an industry. He also instituted the estate tax that was designed to stop the wealthy from amassing outsize fortunes and passing them through time. He warned that wealth passed on, is different in kind from a person who came up with a great idea or a great product and made a fortune. He saw it as a threat to the American experiment. The wealthy have been working on any laws or regulations that slow down their unquenchable thirst for money and power. They have won. Money =power and they have both.
 
#MAGA said:
It is an interesting debate as to whether Fauxcahontas’ scheme to tax wealth would be constitutional

1) wealth isn’t income which the 16th amendment only addresses. So it fails that test

2) given that it would only apply to a certain population, it would fail the apportionment test

3) one could argue it violates 14th amendment

It is all academic however because it will never become law in the near future at least
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I'm not sure I agree with your points. We already tax wealth (estate tax). If it is an indirect tax it does not have to be apportioned, we already have taxes that only apply to certain populations...I'm not sure about the relevance of the 14th Amendment because it only applies to state action.
 
Flash said:
I'm not sure I agree with your points. We already tax wealth (estate tax). If it is an indirect tax it does not have to be apportioned, we already have taxes that only apply to certain populations...I'm not sure about the relevance of the 14th Amendment because it only applies to state action.
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Technically the estate tax isn't a wealth tax but a gift tax on the transfer of assets at the time of death (or during life actually) at the 40% rate.
 
Kacper said:
Technically the estate tax isn't a wealth tax but a gift tax on the transfer of assets at the time of death (or during life actually) at the 40% rate.
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True, but the tax is based on the person's wealth (estate). I'm not sure if that makes it different from a constitutional perspective. I think the interpretation of a direct tax vs indirect tax was always somewhat fuzzy and changed in varying court interpretations.
 
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