the crimea has the only warm water port that russia controls and they mean to continue to control it.
anyone remember the Crimean war of the 1800s?
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signalmankenneth
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The Charge of the Light Brigade
The Charge of the Light Brigade
can russia give up its sole year round warm water port?
i think that war over the crimea will be the ultimate result of differences between the ukraine, russia and the u s of a along with nato
Mott the Hoople
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Ah yes....the Charge of the Light Brigade comes to mind.
Airstrip One
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No way Russia gives it up. Just like Japan isn't getting back the Kuril Islands.
Billy the Great Khan
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It's not our problem either way. We would be wise to leave Russia the fuck alone.
why did russia fight so hard for the crimea?
why did Britain fight russia so hard for the same real estate?
the charge of the light brigade is a prime example of the folly of war, so why is it so romanticized? because brave men followed orders to their deaths...
Why do you pretend that Britain was the only player in this war? The French had 400,000 troops engaged and the Ottomans 300,000 to Britains 250,000.
This was basically Europe with Napoleon in the lead and the Ottomans against the Russia Tsar.
Why would Russia lose its port just because the pro-Russia Prime Minister was removed? Did the interim Government indicate they wukd kick Russia out?
putin has wanted the ukraine in the russian sphere of influence for some time.
he wants to 'reunite' the former soviet republics under russian rule. while he may not get all of the ukraine under russian rule, he sees an opportunity brought on by the cowardly former premier of the ukraine to annex the chrimean portion of the ukraine.
i have to admit that my recollection of the crimean war of the 1800s is poor, russia and later the ussr have wanted control of sebastapol and the warm water ports of the crimea and is using the predominately prorussian population to take it away from the rest of the ukraine.
also, putin does not care what other nations may or may not want. he mainly wants to extend his power base.
oh well
ah, but what if it is russia that is marching on the crimea?
Let it. The people are Russian.
Billy the Great Khan
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Yeah, it's almost like he's trying to fight against us forcing NATO right up against the Russian border. I mean, if Russia were trying to form a military alliance with Mexico and South America, we'd be fine and dandy with it.
what about the people of the rest of the ukraine? they are not russians or prorussia
Billy the Great Khan
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"Ukraine" isn't much of a country anyways. It's been two, or more, for hundreds of years. Likely the Eastern half is all Putin will concern himself with. And even if he doesn't, so what? We don't go hounding the British over Northern Ireland. We don't pester the French about Corsica or Brittany, the Canadians over Quebec. America isn't the arbiter of who isn't and isn't a country.
Correct. They do not deserve Nazism, or the thieves from whom they have suffered, or the thieves who want to take over. Your point?
kinda sounds like iraq that was an attempt to force three disparate groups into one nation ad we know how that worked out
oh well
Yep; oh well. Nothing the world can do about the Soviet era tactics of Putin. We know everyone laughs at Kerry and Obama and their "red lines".