Any losing candidate in history could have created "election denial" movement

Tranquillus in Exile said:
But none has until now, and it took a Trump to do it.

He couldn't have imagined he had a realistic chance of hanging on after 2020 - he's not that much of a fool - but his ego wouldn't let him stop. And to hell with the country.

He's ALL about ego.
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Exactly right. We've had egomaniacs and narcissists in public life - but Trump is pure id.

Trump would let the country burn if it boosted his ego even the smallest bit.
 
BidenPresident said:
Since you evade the question, let me pose it in a different way.

Is every egotist a fascist?
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What question?

I didn't see a question in your posts. We disagree about whether this was ego. It is, to me, absolutely, 100% pure ego. Sorry 'bout that.

I don't know every egotist, so I don't know whether every egotist is a fascist.
 
BidenPresident said:
so....ok. nothing
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What's your contention? That Trump is motivated more by a need for fascist/authoritarian power than by ego?

It ALL feeds his ego. If there was more low hanging fruit for his ego, he'd go for that. But he got involved in Presidential politics, lost a race, and winning again is an obsessive need for his ego.
 
BartenderElite said:
What's your contention? That Trump is motivated more by a need for fascist/authoritarian power than by ego?

It ALL feeds his ego. If there was more low hanging fruit for his ego, he'd go for that. But he got involved in Presidential politics, lost a race, and winning again is an obsessive need for his ego.
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ok
 
BidenPresident said:
Bush brought election to Supreme Court. Gore accepted it and conceded.
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They conceded publicly and with the usual calls for the country to come together under a new President. Hillary did it the morning after the election. A Florida recount in the Bush/Gore election was inevitable given the razor thin margin and though Gore had cause to bad mouth the SC’s ruling that ended the recount, he did not and conceded immediately after the decision was announced.
 
martin said:
They conceded publicly and with the usual calls for the country to come together under a new President. Hillary did it the morning after the election. A Florida recount in the Bush/Gore election was inevitable given the razor thin margin and though Gore had cause to bad mouth the SC’s ruling that ended the recount, he did not and conceded immediately after the decision was announced.
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Trump knew he lost. The "ego" thing is stupid and superficial.
Trump planned a violent coup in December.
 
Grokmaster said:
AL GORE, JR. HILLARY CLINTON. Der..
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Now tell us which presidential candidate of either party refused to concede two years after losing ...

Was it Nixon in 1960? Nope, the result was close and there probably was some fraud, but Nixon, as retiring Vice President, chaired the joint session of Congress that ratified Kennedy.

Who, then? Use BIG CAPITALS.
 
BartenderElite said:
Presidential campaigns are intense and supporters on both sides get extremely passionate about them, and about the outcome. It's why it has become such an important tradition for losing candidates to concede, and urge their supporters to unite behind the new President.

Any previous loser could have cried "foul" and refused to concede, and told their supporters that the election was stolen. Any loser can put their ego above the country.

And no - Gore didn't do that. The Florida rules allotted for recounts if the election was within a certain margin, and he just pursued that. When SCOTUS ruled, he didn't fight it. He went on TV, conceded and urged his supporters to get behind the Bush admin.

Trump wasn't man enough to do that. He is, in many ways, the ultimate loser. He put his ego above country, and has actively undermined election integrity - one of the foundations of our democracy - for 2 years now. And we can see how millions of lemmings just fall into line once the leader pursues that course.
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"OVER 150 EXAMPLES OF DEMOCRATS DENYING ELECTION RESULTS
JUN 28, 2022

Democrats Have A Lengthy History Of Casting Doubt On Election Results
FOR DECADES, DEMOCRATS HAVE REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF ELECTIONS THEY LOST

Biden and Democrats have a long history of contesting election outcomes.
Many Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Barbra Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), have cast doubt on every single Republican presidential victory in the last two decades.
Every single Democrat president since 1977 has cast doubt on the legitimacy of U.S. elections.
As recently as this year, Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the upcoming 2022 midterms.
DEMOCRATS CALLED THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION “STOLEN,” “FRAUDULENT,” AND A “COUP D’ETAT”

For years, Democrats have refused to accept the results of the 2000 presidential election.
Al Gore repeatedly claimed that he was the real winner of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Gore claimed he “would have won” if every vote in Florida was counted and that he “absolutely” believed he would become president after the ordered recount.
Gore’s wife, Tipper, said that “I still believe we won.”
In 2016, Gore brought up the 2000 election during a rally for Hillary Clinton and did not refute chants from the audience saying he won.
In 2017, Gore implied Jeb Bush “may have had something” to do with him losing Florida.
Gore, in 2017: “Actually, I think I carried Florida."
Hillary Clinton, more than once, questioned the legitimacy of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Clinton said Bush had been “selected” and not elected president. ... "

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/

Democrats don't care about truth.
 
BartenderElite said:
Presidential campaigns are intense and supporters on both sides get extremely passionate about them, and about the outcome. It's why it has become such an important tradition for losing candidates to concede, and urge their supporters to unite behind the new President.

Any previous loser could have cried "foul" and refused to concede, and told their supporters that the election was stolen. Any loser can put their ego above the country.

And no - Gore didn't do that. The Florida rules allotted for recounts if the election was within a certain margin, and he just pursued that. When SCOTUS ruled, he didn't fight it. He went on TV, conceded and urged his supporters to get behind the Bush admin.

Trump wasn't man enough to do that. He is, in many ways, the ultimate loser. He put his ego above country, and has actively undermined election integrity - one of the foundations of our democracy - for 2 years now. And we can see how millions of lemmings just fall into line once the leader pursues that course.
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trump also has a knack for making money off of suckers. Look at every one of his failed businesses.

He knows that he lost. He also knows that fools will believe every word he says, and will send him their food stamp money
 
Bigdog said:
"OVER 150 EXAMPLES OF DEMOCRATS DENYING ELECTION RESULTS
JUN 28, 2022

Democrats Have A Lengthy History Of Casting Doubt On Election Results
FOR DECADES, DEMOCRATS HAVE REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF ELECTIONS THEY LOST

Biden and Democrats have a long history of contesting election outcomes.
Many Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Barbra Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), have cast doubt on every single Republican presidential victory in the last two decades.
Every single Democrat president since 1977 has cast doubt on the legitimacy of U.S. elections.
As recently as this year, Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the upcoming 2022 midterms.
DEMOCRATS CALLED THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION “STOLEN,” “FRAUDULENT,” AND A “COUP D’ETAT”

For years, Democrats have refused to accept the results of the 2000 presidential election.
Al Gore repeatedly claimed that he was the real winner of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Gore claimed he “would have won” if every vote in Florida was counted and that he “absolutely” believed he would become president after the ordered recount.
Gore’s wife, Tipper, said that “I still believe we won.”
In 2016, Gore brought up the 2000 election during a rally for Hillary Clinton and did not refute chants from the audience saying he won.
In 2017, Gore implied Jeb Bush “may have had something” to do with him losing Florida.
Gore, in 2017: “Actually, I think I carried Florida."
Hillary Clinton, more than once, questioned the legitimacy of the 2000 election.
In 2002, Clinton said Bush had been “selected” and not elected president. ... "

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/

Democrats don't care about truth.
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You're not really trying to compare what Trump is doing to what any candidate in American history did....are you?
 
Bigdog said:
You are. :dunno: And they weren't even Covid prison lockdown elections. :dunno:
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I'm not comparing them. There is no comparison whatsoever to anyone that isn't too far down the partisan rabbit hole.

What Trump is doing and has done is unprecedented. Show me any Democrat Presidential candidate who didn't concede after they lost.
 
BartenderElite said:
I'm not comparing them. There is no comparison whatsoever to anyone that isn't too far down the partisan rabbit hole.

What Trump is doing and has done is unprecedented. Show me any Democrat Presidential candidate who didn't concede after they lost.
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Cracka pleez :palm:

The Hillbag is still claiming the election was stolen from her. And Stacey Abrams still claims she's the gov.

And Pres. Trump peacefully transitioned power to Plugs. :palm:
 
BartenderElite said:
Once again:

"Show me any Democrat Presidential candidate who didn't concede after they lost."
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Transitioning power is an act of concession.

DEMOCRATS REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE 2016 ELECTION

In 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes.
After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with many “claiming his election was illegitimate.”
After the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election and claimed the election was stolen from her.
In September 2017, Hillary Clinton said she would not “rule out” questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election.
In March 2019, Clinton smiled in agreement when former State Sen. Hank Sanders (D-AL) said the election was stolen from her.
In May 2019, Clinton said the 2016 election was “stolen” from her.
In September 2019, Clinton dismissed Trump as an “illegitimate president” and said “he knows” he stole the 2016 presidential election.
In October 2019, Clinton said that Trump knows that he is “an illegitimate president.”
In December 2019, Clinton nodded in agreement that she won the election.
In July 2020, Clinton said Trump is scared for Americans to see “how illegitimate his victory” was.
In October 2020, Clinton claimed that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying, “we still don’t really know what happened.”
Former President Jimmy Carter said he believed that “a full investigation” would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said “I believe” Russian interference altered the outcome of the election.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) dodged answering whether Trump was “a legitimate president.”
Rep Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) said the “legitimacy is in question” of Trump’s presidency.
Then-Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) said he did not believe President Trump is a “legitimate president.”
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) “applauded” John Lewis and said that he was “right on target.”
Then-Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) said that John Lewis’ remarks on Trump not being legitimately elected “are reasonable.”
Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) said “there absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy” to Trump’s presidency.
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) said that Trump’s election was “illegitimate” and that Trump “is an illegitimate president.”
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) justified his decision to object to certification saying Republicans engaged in “deliberate voter suppression … in numerous swing states.”
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) refused to attend President Trump’s inauguration ceremony because Trump’s election victory was “tainted” by “foreign interference and voter suppression.”
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) refused to say if Trump was a “legitimate president.”
DEMOCRATS HAVE CONTINUED TO CAST DOUBT ON OTHER ELECTIONS SINCE 2016

In 2018, Stacey Abrams refused to concede after losing the Georgia governor’s race and repeatedly challenged the “legitimacy of the election” after her loss.
Following her defeat, Abrams never conceded and continued to argue that she truly won the election.
Abrams said she would not concede a race that was an “erosion of our democracy,” was “not a free and fair election,” and was simply “not just.”
She called her defeat “fully attributable to voter suppression” and argued there was widespread voter disenfranchisement.
Many other prominent Democrats supported Abrams in her stolen election claims:
Hillary Clinton said Stacey Abrams “would have won” Georgia’s gubernatorial race “if she had a fair election” and that Stacey Abrams “should be governor” but was “deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten.”
Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said “I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her.”
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) said that “if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it.”
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said “the evidence seems to suggest” the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
Former Vermont Governor and DNC chair Howard Dean said Abrams “should not concede” and that the election was “almost certainly stolen.”
Obama Attorney General Eric Holder said “I tend to think Stacey Abrams won that election.”
After losing his Florida gubernatorial race in 2018, Andrew Gillum withdrew his concession and pointed to “questions over the handling of the vote” in certain counties.
In 2020, after losing his House race, former Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-NY) called for authorities to investigate voting irregularities and issues of “massive disenfranchisement of voters.”
Former State Sen. Rita Hart (D-IA) contested the election results of her House race loss in 2020, arguing that ballots were improperly rejected.
BIDEN AND HIS OFFICIALS HAVE PUSHED STOLEN ELECTION CLAIMS

In both 2013, and in 2016, Biden claimed that Gore won the 2000 presidential election.
In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump is an “illegitimate president.”
Kamala Harris has repeatedly cast doubt on election results over the years.
Following the Georgia gubernatorial race in 2018, Kamala Harris claimed that “without voter suppression, Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia” and that Gillum would be “the governor of Florida.”
In 2019, Harris agreed that Trump was an “illegitimate president.”
Multiple Biden administration officials have a history of denying election results.
For nearly two decades, Biden’s Chief of Staff Ron Klain claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 election.
Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre tweeted that the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race was stolen.
Jean-Pierre also cast doubt on the 2016 election, tweeting “stolen election .....welcome to the world of #unpresidented Trump.”
Kamala Harris’ Communications Director Jamal Simmons for years tweeted that Bush “stole” the 2000 election.
Cedric Richmond – Biden’s former Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement – said that John Lewis’ remarks on Trump not being legitimately elected were “reasonable.”
Then-Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), now Biden’s HUD Secretary, said that Trump “may not be a legitimate president.”
 
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