Anthrax Terror attack, not from Middle East!

Superfreak said:
What makes you say he was a psychopath?

All I have seen is the testimony of a therapist that says such. His co-workers and neighbors seem to doubt the validity of her opinion. At least according the article posted above. (by Desh)
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Sorry, SF, my work is making me delay responding and this is the first chance I've had to answer your post.

I read Desh's link, also a fresh news item from just a few minutes ago (AP). I couldn't see anything, really, that directly contradicts the postulations made to the media about Ivins' presumed involvement in this case, or his potential as a murderer. Let's leave aside the therapist's testimony for a moment. The people who voiced skepticism seemed not to be particularly vociferous about it at all, saying rather, "I can't see how he could have managed ...", or "I don't think that he had a motive ...", etc. I'll maintain, first, that if someone does not have the same inclinations to do something criminal, for instance, it simply never occurs to them how something could be accomplished. I think we've all puzzled over different things we've heard of; scams, for instance, where I can't imagine how somebody could manage to pull something off. So they also wouldn't be looking for someone to be trying to circumvent the system and do whatever was needed to accomplish making the powdered form of the anthrax. Remember, this was accomplished before the mailings, before anyone's suspicions were even alerted. If someone is determined enough and knows the system and precautions well enough, I suspect that it would be (or would have been) possible to carry out whatever steps he needed to do.

As to motive, nobody really knows, still, what the motives were for someone to expose innocent people to this deadly agent. Again, why would anybody even be looking for a motive, and if it was not rational (as it almost certainly was not) then it could easily have existed beyond anyone's notice or suspicion. Again, nobody had any reason before the mailings to be suspicious of anyone, so nobody would have been looking for odd behavior. As I mentioned, many people in this field may show more idiosyncratic behaviors than you'd tend to find in, say, your line of work. I've done both so am fairly confident in saying this. So most oddish behaviors would not have raised any eyebrows at all.

The therapist's testimony forms part of the court documents. I'm not sure how or why that made it into the media; it certainly shouldn't have done so, IMO.

I'm not saying that there definitely isn't something nefarious going on here, but I am suggesting that there seems to be enough, and that the protestations are weak at best and fairly easily explained, to give some credibility to the official version. How much? Darned if I know!
 
The so called therapist is a drug counsiler with DUI convictions in her recent past.

The whole case is nothing but cercumstancial and no one who knew him thinks he was a danger to anyone.

They got their asses handed to them when they tried to say Hatfield did it. Then they accuse someone else and he suicides himself the next day.

This is all bullshit to cover the fact they tried to get the FBI to say it was AQ.

Someday this will all come out.
 
You've worked with anthrax? Someone should notify the government that a 17-year-old Napoleon Dynamite look alike is handling deadly biological agents.
 
Okay, so some obvious pinhead sends out Antrhax letters to his liberal heroes, in hopes of getting to save their lives with his antidote, and be forever in their debt, a national hero...he might get to sit next to Jimmah Carter at the Convention... whereas before he was just an insignificant pinhead nobody.... the government fingers him, and he does the typical cowardice chicken shit pinhead thing and offs himself... and you morons are attempting to pin it all on Karl Rove? Is that what I am hearing here?
 
Dixie said:
Okay, so some obvious pinhead sends out Antrhax letters to his liberal heroes, in hopes of getting to save their lives with his antidote, and be forever in their debt, a national hero...he might get to sit next to Jimmah Carter at the Convention... whereas before he was just an insignificant pinhead nobody.... the government fingers him, and he does the typical cowardice chicken shit pinhead thing and offs himself... and you morons are attempting to pin it all on Karl Rove? Is that what I am hearing here?
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You think this guy had an antidote to anthrax that nobody else knows about?
 
Some quotes from Bruce Ivins' letters to the Frederick News-Post. You tell me if this sounds like a "liberal pinhead."

Conservative Christians now feeling their oats
Originally published November 21, 2004

I would like to comment on the letter to the editor, "Wants off Christian Nation Express," of Nov. 12.

I am certainly pleased that the writer is dedicated to service in the love of God, even though I find her theological focus on agony and suffering rather than the hope, joy and salvation of the resurrection to be puzzling.

Whether Americans like it or not, the results of the presidential election have propelled charismatic and evangelical Christians into new heights of political power. Many of those individuals would agree that the laws of this nation should be compatible with the Gospel, if not actually based upon it.

Whether we're on the "Christian Nation Express" or not, we all need to be ready for a wild political ride these next four years through a landscape of issues deemed important by conservative Christians.
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All aboard!
Originally published November 09, 2004

I read Deborah Carter's column of Nov. 7, "Election blues," and I have three comments for the good woman, and for everybody else, as well.

First, it's clear that views like hers would put Jesus on that cross again. Second, thy loom and churn best be still, come the Sabbath. Third, you can get on board or get left behind, because that Christian Nation Express is pulling out of the station!
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Moral views not a new trend
Originally published March 05, 1998

Among the front-page articles in The News-Post of Feb. 27 was a rather ominous one entitled "Panel OKs funding for assisted suicide."

The news report dealt with a decision by the Oregon Health Services Commission that assisted suicide should be funded by state taxpayers. Commission chairman Alan Bates excoriated those whose beliefs led them to oppose the commission's decision, and asserted that "religious opponents have no right to impose their moral views on others."

From that statement it is clear that Dr. Bates' knowledge of medicine is substantially greater than his familiarity with American history.

Even before America was a nation, there was strong opposition to slavery from the religious group known as the Quakers, or the "Society of Friends." They were steadfast in their belief that slavery was a sin, and this belief led them to be actively involved in the Abolitionist Movement and the "Underground Railroad" in this country.

We should all be thankful that these religious opponents were quite willing to "impose their moral views on others."

In more recent times we need look no further than those ministers, rabbis and priests whose beliefs brought them to the forefront in the battle against forced, racial segregation in America. Despite real threats to life and limb, they persisted in their efforts to "impose their moral views on others."

Today we frequently admonish people who oppose abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide or capital punishment to keep their religious, moral, and philosophical beliefs to themselves.

Before dispensing such admonishments in the future, perhaps we should gratefully consider some of our country's most courageous, historical figures who refused to do so.
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Dixie said:
I don't know, are you trying to argue that Liberal pinheads are never religious zealots, or what?
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No. But you ARE arguing that a religious zealot is an "obvious pinhead." That's absurd. I don't know this guy's political leanings, and I won't pretend to (unlike you). But from his own writings, we can discern that he was extremely evangelical, voted for Bush and was quite pleased with his reelection in 2004, was against state funding for assisted suicide, and probably mailed anthrax to two Democratic senators and some media organizations.

And you sit here and accuse that man of being "pinhead" with "liberal heros."
 
ib1yysguy said:
No. But you ARE arguing that a religious zealot is an "obvious pinhead." That's absurd. I don't know this guy's political leanings, and I won't pretend to (unlike you). But from his own writings, we can discern that he was extremely evangelical, voted for Bush and was quite pleased with his reelection in 2004, was against state funding for assisted suicide, and probably mailed anthrax to two Democratic senators and some media organizations.

And you sit here and accuse that man of being "pinhead" with "liberal heros."
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How do you discern he voted for Bush? Or that he even voted at all? Sounds to me like you are completely contradicting your statement that you "don't know this guy's political leanings, and won't pretend to..." Sounds like you're pretending he is a right-wing religious conservative, pretty damn clearly to me.

I don't even know if the supposed "letters" you posted, were something this guy actually wrote! It's just as likely some pinhead recognized the insanity and cowardice of a fellow pinhead in this act, and decided to do some 'damage control' to help 'the cause'. I wouldn't put it past the pinheads, after all, look at the ones here trying to blame this on Karl Rove and the Bush Administration! Yeah, it is right up pinhead alley to forge documents to support their lunatic arguments and conspiracy theories.
 
Yeah, it's far more likely that this newspaper fabricated letters to the editor going back to 1977 from this guy than it is that he was hoping to poison his "liberal heros" to get a seat next to Carter at the DNC.

Do you have any idea how retarded you sound? No? Didn't think so.
 
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