Answering Howey's idiocy II

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Howey said:
I asked a similar question in another thread the other day and got no answer. Anyone care to answer it?


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This is a false equivalency, it (poorly) attempts to present a scenario in which everything is the same except the background of person that gets killed, but the entirety of this description is in fact a completely different scenario.

For starters, zimmerman did not "chase" martin. He kept a very firm distance and even told the dispatcher that "he's running, he's gone, I don't see him,"

Secondly, addressing his specific self defense claim, being kneed in the balls, peppered sprayed, or tripped are all one-off instances. They are not comparable to being continually beaten for a minute straight, with 3rd party witnesses begging for trayvon to stop only to be ignored.

You certainly aren't going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury if you are kneed in the balls.
Nor are you going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury from being pepper sprayed.
Nor will you be "fearing for your life" if you get momentarily tripped. Once you are tripped it is over.

If a women that was being shady, walking in between houses, and then ended up jumping someone that had done nothing unlawful and started beating the shit out of them, (and was physically capable of doing so to the extent that her male counterpart would be) then absolutely she should get a lead salad. Bullet train to the graveyard.

But this is not the type of description being given.

As such, the situation presented is not comparable. The situation zimmerman was in was one in which he had a reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury. A jury agreed upon by both parties, one in which was even looked upon favorably by howey himself until they told him something he didn't want to hear, all agreed with zimmermans account. They found it reasonable that he may have fear for his life of grave bodily injury, and that he needed to stop the violent physical confrontation perpetrated by trayvon the attacker.

So to answer this fanciful strawman, no one would have a right to shoot someone for being tripped.

Too bad trayvon didn't simply trip zimmerman though.
 
TeamZ said:
This is a false equivalency, it (poorly) attempts to present a scenario in which everything is the same except the background of person that gets killed, but the entirety of this description is in fact a completely different scenario.

For starters, zimmerman did not "chase" martin. He kept a very firm distance and even told the dispatcher that "he's running, he's gone, I don't see him,"

Secondly, addressing his specific self defense claim, being kneed in the balls, peppered sprayed, or tripped are all one-off instances. They are not comparable to being continually beaten for a minute straight, with 3rd party witnesses begging for trayvon to stop only to be ignored.

You certainly aren't going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury if you are kneed in the balls.
Nor are you going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury from being pepper sprayed.
Nor will you be "fearing for your life" if you get momentarily tripped. Once you are tripped it is over.

If a women that was being shady, walking in between houses, and then ended up jumping someone that had done nothing unlawful and started beating the shit out of them, (and was physically capable of doing so to the extent that her male counterpart would be) then absolutely she should get a lead salad. Bullet train to the graveyard.

But this is not the type of description being given.

As such, the situation presented is not comparable. The situation zimmerman was in was one in which he had a reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury. A jury agreed upon by both parties, one in which was even looked upon favorably by howey himself until they told him something he didn't want to hear, all agreed with zimmermans account. They found it reasonable that he may have fear for his life of grave bodily injury, and that he needed to stop the violent physical confrontation perpetrated by trayvon the attacker.

So to answer this fanciful strawman, no one would have a right to shoot someone for being tripped.

Too bad trayvon didn't simply trip zimmerman though.
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What's even worse; is that Trayvon didn't simply go home, instead of sucker punching and then "ground and pound" on him.
 
TeamZ said:
This is a false equivalency, it (poorly) attempts to present a scenario in which everything is the same except the background of person that gets killed, but the entirety of this description is in fact a completely different scenario.

For starters, zimmerman did not "chase" martin. He kept a very firm distance and even told the dispatcher that "he's running, he's gone, I don't see him,"

Secondly, addressing his specific self defense claim, being kneed in the balls, peppered sprayed, or tripped are all one-off instances. They are not comparable to being continually beaten for a minute straight, with 3rd party witnesses begging for trayvon to stop only to be ignored.

You certainly aren't going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury if you are kneed in the balls.
Nor are you going to be fearing for your life or grave bodily injury from being pepper sprayed.
Nor will you be "fearing for your life" if you get momentarily tripped. Once you are tripped it is over.

If a women that was being shady, walking in between houses, and then ended up jumping someone that had done nothing unlawful and started beating the shit out of them, (and was physically capable of doing so to the extent that her male counterpart would be) then absolutely she should get a lead salad. Bullet train to the graveyard.

But this is not the type of description being given.

As such, the situation presented is not comparable. The situation zimmerman was in was one in which he had a reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury. A jury agreed upon by both parties, one in which was even looked upon favorably by howey himself until they told him something he didn't want to hear, all agreed with zimmermans account. They found it reasonable that he may have fear for his life of grave bodily injury, and that he needed to stop the violent physical confrontation perpetrated by trayvon the attacker.

So to answer this fanciful strawman, no one would have a right to shoot someone for being tripped.

Too bad trayvon didn't simply trip zimmerman though.
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While I agree with everything you say, you are missing one salient point. Team Trayvon HAS to believe that Trayvon was an innocent little 12 year old eating skittles. Because the image that portrays is a kid who would never have attacked Zimmerman.

If the libs allow the actual truth of Trayvon to creep into the discussion; drug using, tattoo wearing, suspended for burglary ad drugs, bragged about fighting and doing drugs, possessed 2/3 if I gradients to make "ghetto ecstasy", then that paints a picture of a person who plausibly could have attacked someone that night which vindicates Zimmerman.

That is why you will never convince them. They believe in this like a muslime believes in jihadists.
 
You wait its going to happen.

some asshole is going to kill some young woman and claim self defense because she was scary.

tell me why you fools think it impossible?
 
I Love America said:
While I agree with everything you say, you are missing one salient point. Team Trayvon HAS to believe that Trayvon was an innocent little 12 year old eating skittles. Because the image that portrays is a kid who would never have attacked Zimmerman.

If the libs allow the actual truth of Trayvon to creep into the discussion; drug using, tattoo wearing, suspended for burglary ad drugs, bragged about fighting and doing drugs, possessed 2/3 if I gradients to make "ghetto ecstasy", then that paints a picture of a person who plausibly could have attacked someone that night which vindicates Zimmerman.

That is why you will never convince them. They believe in this like a muslime believes in jihadists.
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prove any of that you fucking hack.

remember the thread in which your idiot claims were descimated
 
I Love America said:
While I agree with everything you say, you are missing one salient point. Team Trayvon HAS to believe that Trayvon was an innocent little 12 year old eating skittles. Because the image that portrays is a kid who would never have attacked Zimmerman.

If the libs allow the actual truth of Trayvon to creep into the discussion; drug using, tattoo wearing, suspended for burglary ad drugs, bragged about fighting and doing drugs, possessed 2/3 if I gradients to make "ghetto ecstasy", then that paints a picture of a person who plausibly could have attacked someone that night which vindicates Zimmerman.

That is why you will never convince them. They believe in this like a muslime believes in jihadists.
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And Team Zimmy has us believing he was an honorable cop wannabe when in fact he is a child molester and admitted racist.

Your point is?
 
His racism will be a mere sidenote once the republican partys cheating in elections is in the daily news for months leading into this mid term.

People wont even think about Zimmy as the top USA racist anymore.
 
Superfreak said:
admitted racist?
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More bullshit from Howey.

George Zimmerman helped blacks in the past, proving he’s not racist.
As previously reported by The Inquisitr, some people say the George Zimmerman verdict is a civil rights issue.


Al Sharpton considers the Trayvon Martin verdict a “slap to the face.” On the flip side of the same coin, the defense lawyers are now saying if George Zimmerman was black he wouldn’t have been charged at all.

George Zimmerman neighbor Frank Taaffe explained why Zimmerman was suspicious of Trayvon Martin: “We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. It would have been nine – there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress…. All of the perpetrators of the burglaries, the prior burglaries, were young black males.”

But was George Zimmerman racist toward men of middle eastern descent? One of George Zimmerman’s former co-workers testified, saying George Zimmerman mocked him with the voice of “Achmed the terrorist” and allegedly told stories and jokes about “bombing” and other “Middle Eastern stuff.” One of George Zimmerman’s brothers also made some racist comments before the trial, although he later apologized.

George Zimmerman Racist Towards Blacks?

George Zimmerman comes from a deeply Catholic background, served as an altar boy, and was “taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate.” George Zimmerman himself is mixed race, although he’s often reported as being Hispanic. George Zimmerman has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather. George Zimmerman was raised in a racially integrated household, with reports saying, “It wasn’t only white or only Hispanic or only black – it was mixed.” For several years, George Zimmerman shared meals with two African American girls who were considered part of the household.

George Zimmerman Helped Blacks

Before the Trayvon Martin shooting even took place, George Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people that helped protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a Sanford police officer that was left unpunished. The twist to this story is that George Zimmerman asked the NAACP in Sanford for help, but he was shot down, claiming they didn’t have the resources to help the homeless black man.

So without the help of the NAACP George Zimmerman printed his own fliers and distributed them at black churches in the area. Only after the guilty party turned himself in did the NAACP become involved in negotiating an “undisclosed financial reward” for the black man George Zimmeran had helped. In the same time frame George Zimmerman was helping blacks, he was video taped saying, “I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line.” Ironically, the same police department George Zimmerman protested for racial violence and cover-ups is the police department that investigated Zimmerman after Trayvon Martin. In the end, even the FBI said George Zimmerman is not racist.



http://www.inquisitr.com/847663/george-zimmerman-racism-he-helped-black-people/
 
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