Another Socialist Outed As Wealthy

USFREEDOM911 said:
How did I suspect that you were eventualy going to try to bring this back to a LLC.

You got fucked over a roofing job, get over it. :palm:
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Actually, it had to do with windows.

I got a great roofing job. Flat roof on a tri-plex. Normally it's layers of tar paper, hot tar spread on it, then small stones to stop the sun from deteriorating the tar.

The roof I got was sheets of rubber melted together with a torch topped with what looked like the same stuff asphalt shingles are made from but on a big rubber sheet also melted together. No tar and gravel.

As for the windows we withheld payment for the one that didn't work properly and that was the end of it. Later, we moved to the 'burbs, sold the place and bought a car. :D

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apple0154 said:
It's not just people being thieves. Some folks think they can run a business and they can't.

People like to talk about taking personal responsibility. Fine, but don't live off the profits and then declare bankruptcy and keep the profits.
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isnt that why company holders are public info? or is educating yourself about a company before you purchase their product/service too much of a hassle?
 
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apple0154 said:
Actually, it had to do with windows.

I got a great roofing job. Flat roof on a tri-plex. Normally it's layers of tar paper, hot tar spread on it, then small stones to stop the sun from deteriorating the tar.

The roof I got was sheets of rubber melted together with a torch topped with what looked like the same stuff asphalt shingles are made from but on a big rubber sheet also melted together. No tar and gravel.

As for the windows we withheld payment for the one that didn't work properly and that was the end of it. Later, we moved to the 'burbs, sold the place and bought a car. :D

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Either bitch to the Kanadian Government that they aren't smart enough to require fees from repair organizations or quit bitching about it.
It's the fault of the Kanadian Government that this problem exists in Kanada.
Us in the US are obviously smarter then Kanadians.
 
apple0154 said:
Actually, it had to do with windows.

I got a great roofing job. Flat roof on a tri-plex. Normally it's layers of tar paper, hot tar spread on it, then small stones to stop the sun from deteriorating the tar.

The roof I got was sheets of rubber melted together with a torch topped with what looked like the same stuff asphalt shingles are made from but on a big rubber sheet also melted together. No tar and gravel.

As for the windows we withheld payment for the one that didn't work properly and that was the end of it. Later, we moved to the 'burbs, sold the place and bought a car. :D

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wait. so you were able to protect yourself from one bad window by simply withholding payment and that makes you think that window contractors should be regulated enough to the point to keep most people out of it? you don't think that's overkill?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Either bitch to the Kanadian Government that they aren't smart enough to require fees from repair organizations or quit bitching about it.
It's the fault of the Kanadian Government that this problem exists in Kanada.
Us in the US are obviously smarter then Kanadians.
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So, if a company goes bankrupt in the US are creditors and customers allowed to seize the profits/salary the owner made ripping off those people?
 
apple0154 said:
So, if a company goes bankrupt in the US are creditors and customers allowed to seize the profits/salary the owner made ripping off those people?
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They file the complaint with the Board that oversees such, a hearing is held, and if it's found in the homeowners favor, then the homeower is paid out of the fees collected by the Board.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
wait. so you were able to protect yourself from one bad window by simply withholding payment and that makes you think that window contractors should be regulated enough to the point to keep most people out of it? you don't think that's overkill?
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We insisted on withholding partial payment. I'm sure many people didn't.

The point is there are people who go into business, especially home improvement businesses, who either know nothing about the job or are there to make money and get out. Most of those companies have no business assets worth considering so why should they be protected against personal loss through bankruptcy when they used the profits for personal expenses? If they don't want to be regulated, fine. In that case any monies received from the business should be accessible in cases where the customer seeks restitution.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
They file the complaint with the Board that oversees such, a hearing is held, and if it's found in the homeowners favor, then the homeower is paid out of the fees collected by the Board.
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Sounds like an insurance. I assume people have to pay some sort of fee to that board. Do you have any further info? I'd like to check out how that works in regards to how the fee is determined. Is the fee based on the number of employees? The number of jobs?
 
apple0154 said:
Sounds like an insurance. I assume people have to pay some sort of fee to that board. Do you have any further info? I'd like to check out how that works in regards to how the fee is determined. Is the fee based on the number of employees? The number of jobs?
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Since you're the one who is the one complaining, you can goggle all of this yourself.
But make sure you do it for the US, seeing as Kanada appears to be lacking in these regulations.

Exceptions to Limited Liability
While LLC owners enjoy limited personal liability for many of their business transactions, this protection is not absolute. This drawback is not unique to LLCs, however -- the same exceptions apply to corporations. An LLC owner can be held personally liable if he or she:

•personally and directly injures someone
•personally guarantees a bank loan or a business debt on which the LLC defaults
•fails to deposit taxes withheld from employees' wages
•intentionally does something fraudulent, illegal, or reckless that causes harm to the company or to someone else, or
•treats the LLC as an extension of his or her personal affairs, rather than as a separate legal entity.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since you're the one who is the one complaining, you can goggle all of this yourself.
But make sure you do it for the US, seeing as Kanada appears to be lacking in these regulations.

Exceptions to Limited Liability
While LLC owners enjoy limited personal liability for many of their business transactions, this protection is not absolute. This drawback is not unique to LLCs, however -- the same exceptions apply to corporations. An LLC owner can be held personally liable if he or she:

•personally and directly injures someone
•personally guarantees a bank loan or a business debt on which the LLC defaults
•fails to deposit taxes withheld from employees' wages
•intentionally does something fraudulent, illegal, or reckless that causes harm to the company or to someone else, or
•treats the LLC as an extension of his or her personal affairs, rather than as a separate legal entity.
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Suing a limited liability company?

I want to file a small claim against a LLC (home improvement contractor) with a single member/owner. Is he personally liable for any amount?

Like shareholders of a corporation, all LLC owners are protected from personal liability for business debts and claims. This means that if the business itself can't pay a creditor -- such as a supplier, a lender, or a landlord -- the creditor cannot legally come after an LLC member's house, car, or other personal possessions.

Because only LLC assets are used to pay off business debts, LLC owners stand to lose only the money that they've invested in the LLC. This feature is often called "limited liability."
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/answers/corporations-20090806115213AA6e1U8.html

I don't see any "board" being mentioned and considering you stated there is a "board" that pays the ripped off home owner it's back to you to show what "board" you're referring to.
 
apple0154 said:
Suing a limited liability company?

I want to file a small claim against a LLC (home improvement contractor) with a single member/owner. Is he personally liable for any amount?

Like shareholders of a corporation, all LLC owners are protected from personal liability for business debts and claims. This means that if the business itself can't pay a creditor -- such as a supplier, a lender, or a landlord -- the creditor cannot legally come after an LLC member's house, car, or other personal possessions.

Because only LLC assets are used to pay off business debts, LLC owners stand to lose only the money that they've invested in the LLC. This feature is often called "limited liability."
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/answers/corporations-20090806115213AA6e1U8.html

I don't see any "board" being mentioned and considering you stated there is a "board" that pays the ripped off home owner it's back to you to show what "board" you're referring to.
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Try using sources other then the one that I gifted to you; because I don't think you want to do anything but bitch and moan, seeing as how long you've been doing it and you haven't bothered to investigate.

Or you can continue to wallow in your misery and wear your sackcloth and ashes.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Try using sources other then the one that I gifted to you; because I don't think you want to do anything but bitch and moan, seeing as how long you've been doing it and you haven't bothered to investigate.

Or you can continue to wallow in your misery and wear your sackcloth and ashes.
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I have investigated. It is you who makes the claim there is a "board" which covers liability if a company goes under. Not only have I have never heard of any such thing but it doesn't even sound logical. If such was the case it wouldn't matter what company did what job. Hire the cheapest company and the consumer would always be protected.

Sorry, USFreedom, but if you can't supply any evidence I have to call bullshit. :)

As for bitching and moaning it's the wanna-be Bill Gates' who bitch and moan about government regulation. The regulations are there because of the thieves and self-aggrandizing, greedy incompetents. The scourges of humanity who are slowly being stamped out.
 
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