Another pound of angus in the "nothing burger"

Darth Omar said:
That raises an interesting question.

Suppose the Russian woman really did have dirt on Hillary [hard to imagine, I know lol] everyone is assuming Junior wouldn't have gone to the FBI with it.

Had he done that, there's no collusion, because collusion in this context would be working together with DAH Russians against Hillary.

A good example of colluding with a foreign government, in order to affect an electoral outcome, occurred when the DNC worked with the Ukrainians against the Trump campaign.

Oddly, there's no shouts of treason over that.
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This is not one your wishful "what if" fantasies, pal. For once, try to stick with reality.
 
Darth Omar said:
That raises an interesting question.

Suppose the Russian woman really did have dirt on Hillary [hard to imagine, I know lol] everyone is assuming Junior wouldn't have gone to the FBI with it.

Had he done that, there's no collusion, because collusion in this context would be working together with DAH Russians against Hillary.

A good example of colluding with a foreign government, in order to affect an electoral outcome, occurred when the DNC worked with the Ukrainians against the Trump campaign.

Oddly, there's no shouts of treason over that.
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got a link? i can't place it
 
anatta said:
got a link? i can't place it
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i found it
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Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

hilarious.. we meddle in their Euromaiden,they meddle in our election..everybody does it- then we all deny it
 
Darth Omar said:
You realize the DNC *actually* colluded with the Ukrainians against Trump, right?
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News flash!!!! The DNC is not the Clinton campaign. The Ukranians did not contact or work directly with Clinton or her campaign. The DNC was not seeking to use illegally stolen, computer hacked emails, but rather actual real world information.

Did the Clinton Campaign Really Collude With Ukraine?
By Osita Nwanevu

Following the revelation of emails confirming the New York Times’ Monday story about Donald Trump Jr. being told about Russian efforts to aid the Trump campaign, conservatives, Trump backers, and Trump Jr. himself resurfaced the findings of a January Politico story about Ukrainian efforts to aid Hillary Clinton, arguing that Clinton allies had been just as willing to work with a foreign power as Trump Jr. seemed to be.

The widely shared Daily Caller post about the Politico story asserts that Democratic operative Alexandra Chalupa was involved in an effort by Ukraine to provide Democrats with opposition research on Paul Manafort’s work as a pro-Russia political adviser in Ukraine—a strategy Trump supporters claim is analogous to the Trump campaign’s apparent effort to gather research on Clinton that was potentially furnished by the Russian government.

A veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.
Chalupa met with Ukrainian ambassador Valeriy Chaly and one of his aides, Oksara Shulyar, at the Ukrainian Embassy in March 2016 to talk about unearthing Paul Manafort’s Russian connections, Chalupa admitted to Politico. Four days later, Trump officially hired Manafort. ...

The Politico report also notes that the DNC encouraged Chalupa to try to arrange an interview with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to talk about Manafort’s ties to the former pro-Russia president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort previously advised.

The first thing to note about the Politico piece is that it goes to considerable lengths to differentiate the activities of Ukrainian officials during the election and the broad and evidently Kremlin-led efforts to assist Trump. “Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials,” Politico’s Kenneth Vogel and David Stern wrote. “There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country—not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia—would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election.”

That said, Politico’s story did raise questions about the willingness of Clinton allies and the DNC to work with foreign officials in securing information damaging to the Trump campaign, although the parallels to what Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort were involved in are thinner than Trump backers claim.

The Politico story doesn’t implicate the Clinton campaign directly so much as it does the DNC—which, Vogel and Stern wrote, was briefed on Manafort following a meeting between Chalupa, Ukrainian Ambassador Valeriy Chaly, and one of the ambassador’s aides at the Ukrainian embassy in March 2016. It’s not clear whether DNC officials were aware that Chalupa was working with Ukranian officials at that point. The story does, however, say that DNC officials encouraged Chalupa to ask for a meeting with Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko to gather more information about Manafort, a meeting that never happened:

It’s important to remember that what’s ultimately concerning about Russiagate is the possibility that the Trump campaign—including staffers now employed in the White House by the president—worked with a hostile government whose leaders attempted to influence and disrupt the election with cyberattacks. The Chalupa story is about officials in an embassy passing along opposition research to a Democratic operative and reporters. The two episodes are not close to being the same, but that fact obviously won’t stop Trump’s supporters from deploying the story for yet another round of Clinton whataboutism.
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Apples and oranges.
 
GazzaQueen said:
She solicited, Junior listened and rejected.

This is why you people can't win an election to save your own party.
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You have it backwards, idiot. She was ASKED to come to Trump Tower.

Get a dictionary, stupid fuck. Have a 10 year old look up some definitions for you.
 
anatta said:
i found it
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Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

hilarious.. we meddle in their Euromaiden,they meddle in our election..everybody does it- then we all deny it
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No doubt, Trump senior was quite aware of the Ukrainian/DNC actual collusion.

'Go ahead and release your emails sonny' lol.
 
GazzaQueen said:
What exactly was offered?
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We all get it GQ.

If she had emailed saying she wanted to talk about the Magnitsky Act, dumb Donnie would have sent it to the recycle bin. So she baited him with a Hillary teaser and he was all over it like a cheap coat.

Them's the facts, Jack.
 
Darth Omar said:
I think all the parties involved, including John McCain, knew The Piss Dossier was junk but the Russian narrative [aka fiction] needed a shot in the arm at the time, so yeah.
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Some of the information in the dossier has been verified, so, it wasn't all junk.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39435786

Comey in his testimony said it most likely will be verified. I'm sure it's one of those things Mueller and his top notch lawyers are handling.
 
Now that the libs have acquitted The Trump campaign of all charges of collusion with their story of Junior's total rejection of their offers, what will they be crying about now?
 
veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.
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looks the same..everybody does it.
 
christiefan915 said:
We all get it GQ.

If she had emailed saying she wanted to talk about the Magnitsky Act, dumb Donnie would have sent it to the recycle bin. So she baited him with a Hillary teaser and he was all over it like a cheap coat.

Them's the facts, Jack.
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Your conjecture only exposes your embarrassing bleached thoughts. He rejected whatever it was she had to offer, whether it was Russian collusion or doll houses.
 
Nomad said:
News flash!!!! The DNC is not the Clinton campaign. The Ukranians did not contact or work directly with Clinton or her campaign. The DNC was not seeking to use illegally stolen, computer hacked emails, but rather actual real world information.



Apples and oranges.
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It doesn't matter the DNC did it. If it's treason it's treason no matter who does it. That only proves what we already knew---the Clintons know how to keep their hands clean.

I think The Resistance has just been had by Trump senior.
 
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