Another pound of angus in the "nothing burger"

Alice in Liberaland said:
Nice try but I have been asking that question for months.

What laws are supposed to have been broken. Please tell us. Do you know?

Can you take a break from your masturbation to look it up and tell us?

We supposedly have two legal experts here on JPP and they have never been able to tell us.
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Read it and weep.

"No person shall knowingly solicit, accept or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation," reads Title 11 in the Code of Federal Regulations, section 110.20 (g). A contribution can be "anything of value," including negative information about a political opponent.

It is unlawful to "provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance or receipt of a contribution or donation," reads 11 CFR 110.20 (h).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
 
Micawber said:
It’s not just left-wing celebrities like film director Michael Moore who are wielding the T-word. Rep. Seth Moulton, a Massachusetts Democrat and Iraq war veteran, used it during a CNN interview.

“If members of the administration are essentially conspiring with Russia … that’s the definition of treason,” Moulton said. “This is a very, very serious affair.”

La times
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Wow. What an array of credible non biased opinions. And as far as the CNN interview was Elmo in on it to provide expert opinion?
 
aloysious said:
Citation? Doesn't sound illegal to me at at all. In fact I'm sure it happens all the time out in the open.
But I'm sure you can cite a statute from somewhere. Tick tock.
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See:

§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (2 U.S.C. 441e, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(c) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals to political committees and organizations of political parties. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to:

(1) A political committee of a political party, including a national party committee, a national congressional campaign committee, or a State, district, or local party committee, including a non-Federal account of a State, district, or local party committee, or
(2) An organization of a political party whether or not the organization is a political committee under 11 CFR 100.5.

(d) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals for office buildings. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party for the purchase or construction of an office building. See 11 CFR 300.10 and 300.35.

(e) Disbursements by foreign nationals for electioneering communications. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any disbursement for an electioneering communication as defined in 11 CFR 100.29.

(f) Expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(g) Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.​
 
Darth Omar said:
How come nobody has an issue with John McCain contacting a Russian to help in sabotaging Trump with the Piss Dossier?

All the same ingredients are there. In fact, unlike with the Russian theory, there's absolutely no speculation that Russians were involved.

Give us the spin.
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I guess it will all come out in the investigation, hopefully!
 
Owl'd You're Up! said:
See:

§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (2 U.S.C. 441e, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(c) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals to political committees and organizations of political parties. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to:

(1) A political committee of a political party, including a national party committee, a national congressional campaign committee, or a State, district, or local party committee, including a non-Federal account of a State, district, or local party committee, or
(2) An organization of a political party whether or not the organization is a political committee under 11 CFR 100.5.

(d) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals for office buildings. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party for the purchase or construction of an office building. See 11 CFR 300.10 and 300.35.

(e) Disbursements by foreign nationals for electioneering communications. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any disbursement for an electioneering communication as defined in 11 CFR 100.29.

(f) Expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(g) Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.​
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Does this mean financial contributions and donations or is encouragement also considered a contribution or donation? If the latter is the case we'd better go back and investigate every living politician.
I seriously doubt he got financial contributions but if he did, sure, impeach. He broke the law.
 
Covfefe said:
I guess it will all come out in the investigation, hopefully!
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That's what I'm saying... don't limit it to Trump. Prosecute anybody and everybody that colluded with Russians in any way.
By the time it's over with Gary Johnson can say, "I told you so. Vote for me or continued tyranny."
 
Darth Omar said:
I've been following politics for a long time and I've never witnessed anything like this Russian obsession by the media---or at least a significant segment of the media.

There's no knocking it out of the news cycle. It's insane.
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You must have been in a coma, seriously, dude this is hilarious.
 
aloysious said:
Does this mean financial contributions and donations or is encouragement also considered a contribution or donation? If the latter is the case we'd better go back and investigate every living politician.
I seriously doubt he got financial contributions but if he did, sure, impeach. He broke the law.
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Ah, you asked for a relevant statute, I provided it. No need to thank me, other than to read the quote, if at all possible for understanding.

I'll shorten it down: What does that mean to you? "(b) ... A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election. [...] No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section."

Your allegation that "all do it" is just mindless blab of one who stubbornly tries to remain ignorant. Have at it.
 
Owl'd You're Up! said:
Ah, you asked for a relevant statute, I provided it. No need to thank me, other than to read the quote, if at all possible for understanding.

I'll shorten it down: What does that mean to you? "(b) ... A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election. [...] No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section."

Your allegation that "all do it" is just mindless blab of one who stubbornly tries to remain ignorant. Have at it.
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OK I'll buy that. So the "thing of value" is dirt on hrc which we seem to universally have. So what is the value of this dirt?
 
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it's a minor violation of the election laws.
Election laws prohibit foreign money and so forth,and this is probably under that.
It's not a nothing burger -it's more like "where's the beef". small potatos. beenie weenie
 
Micawber said:
No, you've made it repeatedly and those deliverables are 5 years overdue. I covered the order using Russian spies. The failed also.

Look, Hillary may be as crooked as the next politician, but she's an old pro, and you aren't going to catch her with her pants down. Too smart, too seasoned.
Trump on the other hand is not only dumb as shit, he is naive and is surrounded by amateur risk taking criminal knuckleheads and a couple criminal sharks.
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He has always believed he is above the law and had lawyers to strong arm the little guys. D.C. Is a different ball game, one he thought he could play the same way, this was a mistake on his part.
 
what's his face Tim Kaine, the Hillary V.P was talking about this is it treason possibility.
creaming in their jeans type of orgasmic delight in that they finally found a single meeting to make 13 months of investigations worthwhile.

It's pathetic if it wasn't so damn over-hyped as something big.
 
anatta said:
it's a minor violation of the election laws.
Election laws prohibit foreign money and so forth,and this is probably under that.
It's not a nothing burger -it's more like "where's the beef". small potatos. beenie weenie
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Undermining U.S. democracy, namely, its core element, the elections and the votes of citizens to determine who is to govern. "beenie weenie".

Useful idiocy comes with a downside, you know, since you look like a drooling idiot stuttering "What, me worry? beenie weenie!" upon behing hit by a speeding bus.
 
Thing1 said:
It's really all you guys can say.

I remember after Obama won in '08 - I don't think any lefty wrote again on here just that "he won." Because he was actually doing things.
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What was he doing? I mean besides playing golf and cramming his shitty healthcare program down America's throat?
 
Covfefe said:
He has always believed he is above the law and had lawyers to strong arm the little guys. D.C. Is a different ball game, one he thought he could play the same way, this was a mistake on his part.
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Was kinda thinking the same thing. He's playing a game of politics against professional swamp dwellers. That's not his game. But maybe he likes the fight. To him it's the good fight.
 
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