Another pound of angus in the "nothing burger"

I'm not sure what you guys think collusion is. This is collusion.

Want proof? Most of talk radio & pretty much every Trump apologist has completely abandoned "there was no collusion" and have moved on to "there was nothing actually illegal," as well as "Ukraine!"
 
"I did do support Hillary?"

Sorry - did not. Started threads lamenting that she was the candidate, and taking her to task for her Iraq Vote and other obvious baggage that prevented me from voting for her.

I find that hack righties can't comprehend that kind of independent thinking, though - because they think everyone is a hack like them. Like, I would get your support for Trump as an anti-Hillary thing, or if immigration was the biggest issue for you. But the way you praise the guy as some sort of genius & messiah is incomprehensible to me. It's pure koolaid.

then maybe we should both give each other a little more credit.

And I never said Trump was "the messiah" or "a genious".
What I maintain is he is just what the doctor ordered, at present day circumstance.
Part of my vote was against Hillary, and partly against establishment Washington.

The country is broken, and Trump has answers to that fix.
he is a very savvy businessman, fix the trade deals, the tax system, and healthcare.
he's a shrewd reader of personalities, fix relations with the world leaders who have lost confidence in us
he knows what our lack of immigration policy is doing to the economy and rule of law, and that Washington politicians have been promising to do something for decades.
The fix is obvious, just needed balls to do something, he is the man for the job

AND, that's one hell of a good looking first family
 
then maybe we should both give each other a little more credit.

And I never said Trump was "the messiah" or "a genious".
What I maintain is he is just what the doctor ordered, at present day circumstance.
Part of my vote was against Hillary, and partly against establishment Washington.

The country is broken, and Trump has answers to that fix.
he is a very savvy businessman, fix the trade deals, the tax system, and healthcare.
he's a shrewd reader of personalities, fix relations with the world leaders who have lost confidence in us
he knows what our lack of immigration policy is doing to the economy and rule of law, and that Washington politicians have been promising to do something for decades.
The fix is obvious, just needed balls to do something, he is the man for the job

I reject your characterizations of the man. He says he can fix the trade deals, taxes & healthcare. In reality, the business of DC bores him a little, and things like healthcare are - by his own admission - much more complicated than thought.

I think his brand of leadership is actually sort of pathetic. I have been a bit stunned by how many times he has thrown loyal surrogates and staffers under the bus at this point. That ain't leadership. He hasn't shown any ability to really work with Congress, despite the hyping of his negotiating skills. He's reckless & rash, and can't stay focused or on point for any length of time. He's ruled mainly by emotion, and basically everything he does is about his name & his brand.

I thought the latter would be the one saving grace, since of course a successful Presidency would be great for his brand. But he's way too short-sighted, and would rather engage in personal battles like the one he had w/ Morning Joe than try to build a long-term legacy. He's really childish that way - so thin skinned. If he didn't realize criticism was part of the job, he shouldn't have gone for it.

I appreciate that you thought he could take his success in business and change the way the country is run, but all I see is a guy who is in over his head, and taking way too long to learn the ropes. He's also hurting our reputation and leadership position in the world.
 
I'm not sure what you guys think collusion is. This is collusion.

Want proof? Most of talk radio & pretty much every Trump apologist has completely abandoned "there was no collusion" and have moved on to "there was nothing actually illegal," as well as "Ukraine!"

No, you guys still don't have collusion.

Carry on.
 
I reject your characterizations of the man. He says he can fix the trade deals, taxes & healthcare. In reality, the business of DC bores him a little, and things like healthcare are - by his own admission - much more complicated than thought.

I think his brand of leadership is actually sort of pathetic. I have been a bit stunned by how many times he has thrown loyal surrogates and staffers under the bus at this point. That ain't leadership. He hasn't shown any ability to really work with Congress, despite the hyping of his negotiating skills. He's reckless & rash, and can't stay focused or on point for any length of time. He's ruled mainly by emotion, and basically everything he does is about his name & his brand.

I thought the latter would be the one saving grace, since of course a successful Presidency would be great for his brand. But he's way too short-sighted, and would rather engage in personal battles like the one he had w/ Morning Joe than try to build a long-term legacy. He's really childish that way - so thin skinned. If he didn't realize criticism was part of the job, he shouldn't have gone for it.

I appreciate that you thought he could take his success in business and change the way the country is run, but all I see is a guy who is in over his head, and taking way too long to learn the ropes. He's also hurting our reputation and leadership position in the world.

I respectfully disagree with most of this. the thin skinned part is accurate, and he will throw anyone "under the bus" that poses a threat to his agenda. that is a leader.

his ideas are spot on on almost every issue, and how in the world would you know if they will work when there has been zero attention given to the possibility.
You will have to wait I am afraid until the cake is done baking, the media is not going to focus on success, of which there is plenty to date.

And how in the world could our standing around the world be any worse than what Obama left it?
Our word meant nothing to anyone until now. I will go out on a limb and bet you North Korea is about to get a dose of American might, ISIS the same thing if Russia and the US work together on it that is.
The two super powers working as one can bring some pain down on terror. It is essential we work with Russia, essential. Which is why this Russia bashing is so dangerous by the way.

Mark my words as a person who has watched politics close up and intently for a looong time, this witch hunt is going to backfire on the Dems. There is nothing there that will cause consequence to Trump.
He has the House, Senate, and the Supreme Court besides the nothing burger. And you strike me as smart enough to know that, peculiarly enough.
 
He solicited, idiot. Invited her to meet at the Tower. The law was violated at that point.

Are you functionally illiterate or just plain stupid?

So she wants to meet with him, he says "Where would you like to meet", she say's "How about at the Trump Tower", and he says "OK"; that in your mind is a solicitation!! :palm:
 
If you are so right; let's bet a perma-ban on the outcome here.....if you're right and Donnie has committed a criminal act and is prosecuted, I am perma-banned. If I am right and this is a great big NOTHING, you get sent packing so we don't have to suffer any more of your insufferable stupidity?

You know you're a lying asshat and wont take the bet.

She's not going to take the bet; because she'll hide behind some kind of disclaimer, like "I'm too important to JPP, to take such a bet". :palm:
 
In a speech on June 7, 2016, Trump said he'd deliver a 'major speech' on Clinton
The speech came just four days after Donald Trump Jr was contacted by about information from Russian government that he said would incriminate Clinton
Hours before Trump's speech, Trump Jr set up a meeting with a Russian lawyer
Trump Jr met with the lawyer on June 9 but said that he learned nothing of value
The President failed to follow through with his promise of a 'speech' on Clinton


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...peech-Trump-Jr-set-meeting.html#ixzz4mdqWo5b5
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And when you leave the ears off of a dot-to-dot drawing of a bunny, you get something that looks like a cat; which is exactly what you liberal snowflakes are attempting. :good4u:
 
Don Jr. Won’t Be Charged With ‘Collusion,’ But the Trump Team Could Be in Big Legal Trouble

His email creates a new front for liability.
First things first: No, Donald Trump Jr. won’t get charged with treason, and not even the most damning act of doing the Kremlin’s bidding will ever amount to treason because Russia is neither a declared enemy nor in a declared war with the United States. Full stop. Please don’t make treason a thing, and shame on you if you ever tried.

With that out of the way, it is worth pondering what other lesser crimes, legal or political, might have been committed by Trump Jr. Until last week he had not been a leading figure in the criminal and congressional probes into Russian meddling in the presidential election, including the possibility that the Trump campaign, or those close to it, may have been in cahoots with Vladimir Putin’s government to bring down their mutual nemesis, Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr.’s fortunes and future changed dramatically last weekend, as a series of slowly developing yet brutal stories in the New York Times revealed that he played a central role in setting up a meeting with a Russian lawyer said to have “dirt” on Clinton that could be useful for his father’s campaign, which at the time had all but seized the Republican nomination and was setting its sights on the final stretch of the race. “I love it,” replied Trump Jr. when assured that the promised incriminating materials on the Democratic candidate amounted to “obviously very high level and sensitive information” that were “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

There’s little doubt that the lead Department of Justice official looking into Russia, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, will want to examine these email exchanges and the resulting meeting with Kremlin-connected lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, whom the communications with Trump describe as a “Russian government attorney” eager to take a flight from Moscow to discuss with him “official documents” the Russians had assembled to sink Clinton. The reason these buzzwords and quoted tidbits matter is their relevance to a question that has vexed investigators: whether there was a concerted effort by the Trump campaign to work hand-in-hand with Russia to tip the scales of the election.

American intelligence agencies told us some time ago that Putin’s goal was to get Trump in the White House, but this is the first time we’ve seen clear evidence — a smoking gun, if you will — that there may have been an untoward connection between someone in the president’s inner circle and the Russian government, and that the two may have worked in tandem to help the elder Trump in November. The word you keep hearing to describe this claimed alliance — right up there with treason in the parlance de #resistance — is collusion, an amorphous word that has very little value and meaning in federal criminal law. That’s why it’s common to hear Trump apologists assert with a high degree of confidence that collusion isn’t illegal or that it’s only forbidden in the antitrust context. Or that campaigns team up with others to procure opposition research on their political adversaries all the time, and thus you can’t go after someone for simply doing the stuff of politics. That’s all true.

But even before the Trump Jr. story broke, Bob Bauer, an election-law expert and former White House counsel for President Obama, had been quietly making a more nuanced and intriguing case, under existing campaign-finance laws and regulations, for the kind of quote-unquote collusion that Mueller and congressional investigators might be interested in. His analysis is extensive, and courts haven’t yet had a chance to test it, but it goes something like this: The law very clearly forbids American political actors from providing “substantial assistance” to a foreign government seeking to influence an election. If this assistance led the foreign government to provide a “thing of value” to the campaign, then the law was broken.

Bauer made this case back in June, going solely on publicly available evidence, such as when then-candidate Trump famously called on the Russians to help locate deleted emails from Clinton’s home-brew server — a call that, curiously, came only weeks after Trump Jr.’s disappointing meeting with Veselnitskaya, which was also attended by his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and then–campaign manager Paul Manafort. Under a broad reading of the ban on “substantial assistance” to a foreign power, the Trump campaign did all it could to egg on the Russians to keep doing what they were doing. And the campaign benefitted mightily from it.

This opens up a new front for liability. Not only may Trump Jr.’s procurement of a get-together with a Russia-linked lawyer for the purpose of obtaining incriminating dirt on Clinton meet the bar for “substantial assistance” to a foreign national seeking to influence the election, but under a different set of campaign-finance regulations, the procurement itself may break the law as a type of illicit coordination with Russia. How? If the Trump campaign actively worked with Kremlin associates so that they spent their resources to aid the campaign, then the Russians effectively made a campaign contribution forbidden by law.

Trump Jr.’s interest in the damaging Clinton materials could certainly meet that criteria. “Now, in a meeting scheduled with a Russian national with ties to the Putin regime, the campaign made clear that it was actively interested in having this kind of information,” Bauer wrote in a follow-up analysis posted on the national-security blog Just Security.

But there’s more: Trump Jr. may have also violated the law’s prohibition on “soliciting” something of value from a foreign power. And on this point, the agency that promulgated the prohibition, the Federal Election Commission, left enough room to cover even implicit solicitations:

To solicit means to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value. A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value. A solicitation may be made directly or indirectly. The context includes the conduct of persons involved in the communication.
Unlike federal criminal laws, FEC regulations are often construed expansively, so it’s possible that Mueller and others will have a field day with the latest bombshells. Of course, none of these potential violations would land the younger Trump in prison, nor should they. But that’s not the crux of the new revelations. The point of it all is to establish something Donald Trump Sr. has denied vehemently: that his campaign indeed had much to gain from Russian involvement in the presidential election, and that those close to him were willing to go to great lengths to get it.

Then again, Trump Jr. has since lawyered up, and the journalists who first broke the story are still reporting. The Times reported on Tuesday night that Trump personally signed off on his son’s initial statement about the meeting. For all we know, this may be the beginning of a new chapter that could very well reach the president himself. After all, he expressed a deep interest in Clinton’s deleted emails on the very same day his son, in a Trump Tower meeting, may have been looking for just that.
 
knock yourself out. Iv'e put this 1 -count it 1- meeting into context as a violation of the election laws.

If you want to go down the road of the hysterics "treason/Constitutional crisis" be my guest

No you lying shitstain.
Not one
At least 3 counts including the campaign manager and at least 3 more counts of perjury when each of the three lied about the meeting at least once.

STOP FUCKING LYING
 
So she wants to meet with him, he says "Where would you like to meet", she say's "How about at the Trump Tower", and he says "OK"; that in your mind is a solicitation!! :palm:


(laughing)

You didn't read the emails did you punk?

"How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up."

D

Who is D, bitch?
 
I respectfully disagree with most of this. the thin skinned part is accurate, and he will throw anyone "under the bus" that poses a threat to his agenda. that is a leader.

his ideas are spot on on almost every issue, and how in the world would you know if they will work when there has been zero attention given to the possibility.
You will have to wait I am afraid until the cake is done baking, the media is not going to focus on success, of which there is plenty to date.

And how in the world could our standing around the world be any worse than what Obama left it?
Our word meant nothing to anyone until now. I will go out on a limb and bet you North Korea is about to get a dose of American might, ISIS the same thing if Russia and the US work together on it that is.
The two super powers working as one can bring some pain down on terror. It is essential we work with Russia, essential. Which is why this Russia bashing is so dangerous by the way.

Mark my words as a person who has watched politics close up and intently for a looong time, this witch hunt is going to backfire on the Dems. There is nothing there that will cause consequence to Trump.
He has the House, Senate, and the Supreme Court besides the nothing burger. And you strike me as smart enough to know that, peculiarly enough.

Haven't been on here for long, but that one easily qualifies for the top five weirdest things (among very many) I've read so far.

It starts out with the authoritarian concept of leadership, namely, for instance, throwing Comey along with the rule of law under the bus, since both were a threat to his corrupt agenda, and that's supposed to demonstrate he's a "real leader". That's what tinpot dictators do, or Mafia dons. Presidents usually do the like if their Presidency heads for implosion.

Nobody really knows what the Trumpy's "ideas" are, because, if you look closely enough, his ideas are all over the place, and the opposite thereof, too. The Trumpy has yet to utter a coherent thought he didn't disavow some days or hours later, let alone develop something one might call an "idea". And no, pandering to Islamophobia and xenophobia isn't an "idea".

Polls indicate that the U.S. standing in the world is collapsing since the start of the Trumpy's maladministration, with the sole exception of... Russia. Who guessed? There's data available on the Trumpy, as well as results for Obama's Presidency. Here's more on President Obama and the Trumpy. So, really, your bleatings to the contrary are just that at best, indications of utter delusion at worst, or lies.

Ah, and BTW, the U.S. and Russia will probably work hand-in-hand, but just in case the Trumpy takes permanent residence in Putin's pockets, profitably so (for the Trumpy).

Other than that, I'll grant you that the Trumpy will probably a huge legacy by way of shifting the U.S. Supreme Court into the general direction of the mouth-breathing, Christer, plutocratic ultra-right, but for now that is mostly the sleaze-bag McConnell's success.

And we'll have to wait and see what ultimately emerges regarding the "collusion" story. Mueller is busy, meticulous, and he'll rather work his employees to death than to let up. So, the Trumpy, having surrounded himself with goons and crooks, along with sycophants and, reportedly, the Mafia, has it coming, and a lot of his minions, too. As you are so fond of saying: Mark my words!
 
what these right wing idiots dont get is just how deep this is


russian money laundering through real estate


Russia is basically a mob run country
 
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