Another insane person with aa assault weapon.

[Jarod]

good. and no, it's not. what it is NOT, is the governments power to make exercising someones rights so difficult that it's easier to just not exercise them. the federal government was created to protect the free exercise of a persons rights.

I agree it should be made as easy as possible. The lawyer lobby makes that almost impossible.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I've said it for years, we should be handling our guns in the same manner at which we handles our automobiles....

...and voting, access to the Internet, publish TikTok videos, etc.

...So FUCK the FOREFATHERS, as they had no way to know about automobiles, or even know about how dangerous a gun could be, as all we had then were cap and ball guns, that takes a whole minute to reload each and every round....

Murder is murder. At what point do we seek to stop punishing everyone for the actions of a few? Where's the personal accountability?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

...and voting, access to the Internet, publish TikTok videos, etc.

Murder is murder. At what point do we seek to stop punishing everyone for the actions of a few? Where's the personal accountability?

Do you feel like your acquiring a drivers license to drive, registering your car, inspecting your car, following all the rules, or even having to provide Liability insurance is somehow punishing you specifically?

Do you think these systems were put into place to punish everybody?

Because I don't.

I believe these systems were put into place as an attempt to manage a huge problem, and save lives, and protect everyone!

Laws do not prevent crimes, but they go a long way in deterring them.

It is a way to do what you can do, the best one can, instead of doing nothing at all.

If you want to have guns and automobiles, they have to be managed in a sensible way, or people get hurt- people die.

Without these system in place more people are going to be hurt- and more people are going to die!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you feel like your acquiring a drivers license to drive, registering your car, inspecting your car, following all the rules, or even having to provide Liability insurance is somehow punishing you specifically?

Do you think these systems were put into place to punish everybody?

Because I don't.

I believe these systems were put into place in an attempt to manage a huge problem, and save lives, and protect everyone!

Laws do not prevent crimes, but they go a long way in deterring them.

So why blanch at freedom of speech and voting? How many people are driven to suicide or murder because of internet bullying? Stupid voting?

With total control, the Democrats promise to provide total security.

 

[christiefan915]

I'm good with it. Nikolas Cruz was known to be nuts and nothing was done. Jared Loughner was known to be nuts, but nothing was done. Why? Defunding the police? Defunding mental healthcare facilities? Why aren't these nutjobs getting the help they need?

Just taking guns from them won't stop violence since they can still drive cars, make firebombs, etc. California has among the toughest gun laws in the nation. Why did this guy have a gun? Even if the gun was taken, he knew the place. What's to prevent him from chaining or blocking the exits and then lighting the place up with firebombs?

The problem is a lack of mental health care and all I see Democrats advising is gun bans.

Cruz and Loughner were adults when they did those shootings. It's hard enough to get a mentally-ill child or teen into therapy, let alone an adult. Besides, Adam Lanza was in some kind of therapy for years, how'd that work out for those innocent little kids at Sandy Hook Elementary?

 

[christiefan915]

Our forefathers knew the Government can turn against it's citizens. They gave us the right to own arms to protect us from the government. Why would we want the government to know who has the guns our forefathers wanted for us to have so they could take them away?

Who decides when the government oversteps its bounds to the point where the people think they need to rise up? trumpers think that him losing the 2020 election was enough.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Cruz and Loughner were adults when they did those shootings. It's hard enough to get a mentally-ill child or teen into therapy, let alone an adult. Besides, Adam Lanza was in some kind of therapy for years, how'd that work out for those innocent little kids at Sandy Hook Elementary?

They were also well known by others to be nuts. Agreed on the problems. There's still a strong social stigma to mental illness. If someone says they have cancer, they get condolences. If they say they are depressed, they are chided for being weak-minded.

Why did Robin Williams hang himself with a tie and a doorknob?

https://www.scielo.br/j/trends/a/PWJKJhGznK45phdTgBdNtRn/?lang=en

Abstract
Introduction:
The world renowned comedian and four-time Oscar nominated actor Robin Williams died on August 11, 2014. From the outset, the news indicated that his death was believed to be a suicide and this was later confirmed to be true by the autopsy reports. Williams had been suffering from severe depression, which is believed to be the leading contributor to his suicide. In this case study, I will highlight the event of the actor's suicide and the main risk factors along with depression leading to his tragic death. As of the end of 2015, no other case study seemed to have addressed or explored the links between the cause (or causes) and events leading to Robin Williams' suicide.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Investigators-Robin-Williams-hanged-himself-5683229.php

The grim details
Boyd said Williams was last seen alive at 10:30 p.m. Sunday when his wife, Susan Schneider, went to bed. His personal assistant became concerned about 11:45 a.m. Monday, Boyd said, after Williams failed to answer knocks at his door.

The assistant eventually managed to open the door and found Williams clothed, in a seated position and "with a belt secured around his neck, with the other end of the belt wedged between the clothes closet door and the door frame," Boyd said. "His right shoulder area was touching the door, with his body perpendicular to the door and slightly suspended."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Who decides when the government oversteps its bounds to the point where the people think they need to rise up? trumpers think that him losing the 2020 election was enough.

The BLM protests were against government overstepping its bounds.

 

[christiefan915]

The BLM protests were against government overstepping its bounds.

Seriously, the J/6ers and BLM may believe that but you and I aren't required to go along with them. Any group with an axe to grind doesn't have the automatic right to rise up and overturn the government.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

So why blanch at freedom of speech and voting? How many people are driven to suicide or murder because of internet bullying? Stupid voting?

With total control, the Democrats promise to provide total security.

We could probably argue all day, and for the rest of our lives, trying to decide who's fart stinks the worst and who wins all the farting contests around here to convince each other what party is best for any given cause or issue before us- the Republicans or the Democrats.

I don't want to get into the farting contests. In fact, I'd much rather see is all work together to resolve issues or lesson the problems before us now.

I just want to help resolve issues, and lay out ideas on how we could resolve them or at least do what can be done. And I certainly welcome everyone's input.

All it requires is for someone to have an open mind and listen. AND SETTING POLITICS ASIDE!

And if someone disagrees, or has a better plan, all one has to do is disagree, and lay out your own plans or ideas on what you think needs to be done, to resolve or lesson problems, without starting another politically biased farting contest between Republicans and Democrats!

I think we have enough of those going on already.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Seriously, the J/6ers and BLM may believe that but you and I aren't required to go along with them. Any group with an axe to grind doesn't have the automatic right to rise up and overturn the government.

Which is where the 1/6ers crossed the line: protest is a right but violence is not.

The Insurrectionists beating on police for several hours was criminal and should be prosecuted, just as all violent offenders should be prosecuted.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

We could probably argue all day, and for the rest of our lives, trying to decide who's fart stinks the worst and who wins all the farting contests around here to convince each other what party is best for any giving cause or issue before us- the Republicans or the Democrats.

I just don't want to get into the farting contests.

I just want to help resolve issues, and lay out ideas on how we could resolve them or at least do what can be done.

All it requires is for someone to have an open mind and listen.

And if someone disagrees, or has a better plan, all one has to do is disagree, and lay your own plan, without starting another politically biased farting contest about Republicans or Democrats!

Giving up one's freedoms is one thing. Forcing others to do likewise is where you and I differ.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Giving up one's freedoms is one thing. Forcing others to do likewise is where you and I differ.

What am I asking you to give up friend.

Who is giving up their car, just because we have a system in place to manage them?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What am I asking you to give up friend?

My money, time and freedom to mind my own business.

What would I be asking you to give up to require passing a citizenship test to vote? To pass an IQ, sanity and education test to access the Internet? To drive?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

My money, time and freedom to mind my own business.

What would I be asking you to give up to require passing a citizenship test to vote? To pass an IQ, sanity and education test to access the Internet? To drive?

There is a citizenship requirement I pass already that enables me to vote.

And the internet is there for anyone intelligent enough to use it now.

To drive, I took my tests, and acquired the license I needed to legally drive when I was 15 and have been driving ever since!

You've totally lost me as to what you are driving at.

How much money and time did you spend to get your driver's license, register your car, and have your car inspected?

And why do you feel this violated your freedom in any way?

Tell me, when you got your last ticket, did that also violate your freedom? Was the cop trying to mind your business?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is a citizenship requirement I pass already that enables me to vote.

And the internet is there for anyone intelligent enough to use it now.

To drive, I took my tests, and acquired the license I needed to legally drive when I was 15 and have been driving ever since!

You've totally lost me as to what you are driving at.

Are you saying everyone has to take a test to vote? What state requires that?

Not everyone needs to be on the Internet as JPP proves daily.

Yet too many people drive drunk or are too mentally incapacitated to be safe drivers. An annual mental exam would save thousands of lives.

My point is that when people advocate limiting freedom instead of maximizing freedom then they are on a dark path.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Are you saying everyone has to take a test to vote? What state requires that?

Not everyone needs to be on the Internet as JPP proves daily.

Yet too many people drive drunk or are too mentally incapacitated to be safe drivers. An annual mental exam would save thousands of lives.

My point is that when people advocate limiting freedom instead of maximizing freedom then they are on a dark path.

Do not try an put words in my mouth dude!

You and I both know one has to be a citizen and register to vote.

And IQ tests have nothing to do with Alcoholism or Road rage or who can best surf the internet!

And if you think laws violates your personal freedoms, perhaps you think everything is about you- and I can assure you it is not!

And here again, I will ask you how does getting a license for anything, or registering or inspecting your car- limit your freedom- WHAT FREEDOM?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do not try an put words in my mouth dude!

You and I both know one has to be a citizen and register to vote.

And IQ tests have nothing to do with Alcoholism or Road rage or who can best surf the internet!

And if you think laws violates your personal freedoms, perhaps you think everything is about you- and I can assure you it is not!

Of course not, just seeking to clarify.

We need stricter standards to avoid idiots electing idiots.

Disagreed. Higher IQ allows better decisions, but mental health and physical ability are other salient factors. A mental health exam would pick up alcoholism.

Why not? You're the one doesn't give a shit about the lives that would be saved by stricter regulation of voting, the Internet and driving. Think of the children!

https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/child_passenger_safety/cps-factsheet.html
In 2020, 607 child passengers* ages 12 and younger were killed in motor vehicle crashes in the United States, and more than 63,000 were injured.

That's about twice as many as killed by rifles: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Of course not, just seeking to clarify.

We need stricter standards to avoid idiots electing idiots.

Disagreed. Higher IQ allows better decisions, but mental health and physical ability are other salient factors. A mental health exam would pick up alcoholism.

Why not? You're the one doesn't give a shit about the lives that would be saved by stricter regulation of voting, the Internet and driving. Think of the children!

https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/child_passenger_safety/cps-factsheet.html
In 2020, 607 child passengers* ages 12 and younger were killed in motor vehicle crashes in the United States, and more than 63,000 were injured.

That's about twice as many as killed by rifles: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

I believe we need stricter requirements to meet, before being allowed to run for public office.

I do not see a problem in the way we vote now. There is no proof of any widespread voting violations.

Sir, if there were, I maybe could see your point. BUT THERE ISN'T!

I think you have a problem in trusting anyone beyond yourself or your own party! That is a self-centered bias and a hint of paranoia, if you ask me.

There were a total of 275,913,237 vehicles registered in the U.S. in 2020, including 105,135,300 automobiles, and yet we use our automobiles a lot more and spend more time in them than we do using our 393,347,000 UNREGISTERED guns owned by the citizens in our country.

So, I do not think that one compared to the other in terms of deaths caused by Automobiles vs. guns is a good comparison.

Guns are designed to kill people- automobiles are built with safety in mind and to save lives! Those are two different things- that just both happen to be dangerous to the public at large- MOST ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY END UP IN THE WRONG HANDS!

That is about the only thing they DO have in common.

But yet we only register our automobiles, and require a license to be able to drive our automobiles, and we register only our vehicles to try and prevent car thefts and illegal purchases.

Aren't we trying to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not be allowed to own them as well? Aren't we trying to get a handle on illegal sales of guns?

Or do you even see any good that would come from that?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...Aren't we trying to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not be allowed to own them as well? Aren't we trying to get a handle on illegal sales of guns?

Or do you even see any good that would come from that?

Yes, but also trying to not throw the baby out with the bathwater in a panic to clean up.

It depends.