Another Gun Nut "fears for his life"-Stands His Ground...kills rampaging PUPPY!

That was the 13th post in the thread.

By the time I wrote that, I had already received a response from SF claiming to know "what I really meant" and one from NOVA filled with his standard derisive attacks.

I understand it makes the pro gun crowd uncomfortable to read over and over about how another "responsible" gun owner shot up his neighborhood or workplace, but the fact remains until we do something to get guns away from the crazies like the puppy killer, this kind of thing will continue and derisively posting another retaliatory attack post about another person dying in their bathtub isn't going to stop it.

It is in the title of your thread Zap.
 
I'd argue again, in my unasked for opinion, that you should state what type of regulation you believe would have prevented this. The only way to make sure we have zero gun deaths is to ban and destroy all guns on Earth. I don't think any of us think that will realistically happen. So with that what regulation(s) will ban senseless deaths?

Magnets in school ceilings? :palm:
 
You put Gun Nut in your subject line and you've referenced gun owners as gun nuts multiple times before. Hey, you are free to write whatever the hell you want and you sure as hell don't have to listen to me. I'm just throwing out food for thought that one way to start a better conversation would be instead of using of using terms like 'gun nut' and then saying 'responsible' gun owners maybe try saying here was a gun incident that didn't need to occur and here are regulations I believe would help prevent this type of incident occurring again. Just my opinion that people are a lot more receptive to having a conversation based on that opening rather than what I first stated.


You don't think a guy who gunned down an 8 month old puppy in his driveway in plain sight of little children, was JUST MAYBE a little off his nut?

I am sorry that so many thin-skinned "manly men" who own guns and frequent this site get their panties so wadded up simply because I refer to some nutter who feared for his life and gunned down a puppy as a gun nut.
 
The above nonsense is why I posted the bathtub deaths. Why not increase regulation on the use of bathtubs? Maybe a certification course for parents that is mandatory so that they stop leaving kids unattended in the tub? Shouldn't everyone have to go through that due to the poor judgement of a few?


Except this isn't a thread about bathtub deaths.

It's a thread about another nut with a gun gunning down an 8 month old puppy in front of little children.

You want to discuss whether or not there needs to be regulations regarding bathtubs and the accidental deaths that occur in them, start your own thread and stop trying to derail this one.
 
You mean you don't think a guy who guns down a puppy while fearing for his life is a bit off his nut?

So many attempts at evasion, yet other than cawacko, not a single honest attempt at discourse.

again, you have not made any attempt at honest discourse. Thus you should really not expect any in return.
 
Except this isn't a thread about bathtub deaths.

It's a thread about another nut with a gun gunning down an 8 month old puppy in front of little children.

You want to discuss whether or not there needs to be regulations regarding bathtubs and the accidental deaths that occur in them, start your own thread and stop trying to derail this one.

I am not derailing it. I am showing you how absurd you are being demanding more gun regulations as the result of the few random incidents you post of people being irresponsible with guns. I can't help but notice that when people like Wacko ask you legitimate questions, you refuse to answer them.
 
I'd argue again, in my unasked for opinion, that you should state what type of regulation you believe would have prevented this. The only way to make sure we have zero gun deaths is to ban and destroy all guns on Earth. I don't think any of us think that will realistically happen. So with that what regulation(s) will ban senseless deaths?

well Zappa? If you want an honest discussion on this... How about you start with what regulation you think would have prevented this? Lets discuss that.
 
http://www.wistv.com/story/19324323/police-1-year-old-boy-nearly-drowns-while-getting-a-bath

Clearly we must ban bathtubs. Too many people try to drown their kids in them.

I mean - who knew that if you use something irresponsibly something bad could happen?

We must ban them all to prevent the irresponsible people from hurting their babies.

How can we live with ourselves if we don't restrict everyone from using bathtubs due to the potential for harm caused by the irresponsible few?

First, tell me what a gun was made to do. Then tell me what a bathtub was made to do.

I believe in keeping guns but morons that make strawman arguments like this one just make it worse. Comparing guns to hammers or bathtubs is fighting in the wrong direction.

Clearly, a background check probably would have came in handy here. It's why there are so many veterans today not able to own a gun which the Right uses as dramatic leverage "Oh, they fought for our Country now they can't have guns!" It's called PTSD and it's dangerous. Sometimes it might have you shooting near families aiming at dogs. Not a responsible gun owner.

Step1) Understand the level of danger a gun has. Stop comparing guns to things that weren't specifically designed to kill.
Step2) Stop trying to paint these crazy criminals as responsible gun owners. You all justify everything now days.
Step3) Attempt to do something to keep guns out of the hands of people that would be a risk owning one. You morons keep screaming that people with a violent criminal background have the right to bear arms because of the 2A. And that is where you lose common sense.

Gun nuts are just scared to death of everything.

 
Step1) Understand the level of danger a gun has. Stop comparing guns to things that weren't specifically designed to kill.

I do understand the danger level a gun has. I use them to take life several days a year. I don't see a problem with the comparison when folks scour the web for random acts of stupidity carried out by people using guns. Even the most sane person you may know can snap and do something stupid. So you'll only achieve e success you desire if you completely do away with guns and/or private gun ownership. And have you tried to buy a gun lately? The last one I bought was complete with a white form to fill out, a call to the authorities to find out if I'm a criminal or if I'm crazy. You know, the kind of thing you want to happen.

Step2) Stop trying to paint these crazy criminals as responsible gun owners. You all justify everything now days.

I don't know of anyone who would call this puppy shooter or any other person Zap finds and posts about using a gun irresponsibly as a "responsible gun owner." People who demonstrate such irresponsibility need to be, and usually are, addressed by the law.

Step3) Attempt to do something to keep guns out of the hands of people that would be a risk owning one. You morons keep screaming that people with a violent criminal background have the right to bear arms because of the 2A. And that is where you lose common sense.

We have laws already in place to fulfill your request. Your statement following does not have a bit of truth to it, but way to address the people you are trying to persuade as "morons." That is a pretty clever method of persuasive communication there.

Gun nuts are just scared to death of everything.

And way to end with such a flair. But I "ain't skeered...just careful."
 
I do understand the danger level a gun has. I use them to take life several days a year. I don't see a problem with the comparison when folks scour the web for random acts of stupidity carried out by people using guns. Even the most sane person you may know can snap and do something stupid. So you'll only achieve e success you desire if you completely do away with guns and/or private gun ownership. And have you tried to buy a gun lately? The last one I bought was complete with a white form to fill out, a call to the authorities to find out if I'm a criminal or if I'm crazy. You know, the kind of thing you want to happen.



I don't know of anyone who would call this puppy shooter or any other person Zap finds and posts about using a gun irresponsibly as a "responsible gun owner." People who demonstrate such irresponsibility need to be, and usually are, addressed by the law.



We have laws already in place to fulfill your request. Your statement following does not have a bit of truth to it, but way to address the people you are trying to persuade as "morons." That is a pretty clever method of persuasive communication there.



And way to end with such a flair. But I "ain't skeered...just careful."

1) You don't know what I desire so how can you state that "getting rid of all guns is the only way to get what I desire". Let me explain what I desire. I desire people to try to problem prevent instead of just problem solving. Problem prevention would be background checks and talks about weapon accessories with a high massacre rate ability vs. common use. Problem prevention is what we do now with "Oh, he was stupid. Don't do anything about it, laws don't work. It's just another dead person." Laws not working is a Nihilist view the NRA adopted once they started getting heavy funding from weapons manufacturers.

2) Here you present exactly what I just stated. "This was a bad seed. But no laws will prevent this kind of behavior. Just forget about these bad seeds." YES there will always be bad seeds hipster. But there are ways to prevent at least some of the bad seeds from getting guns and you know it. Otherwise, you are a nihilist.

3)The movement today is to end criminal background checks and it's gaining ground!....Missouri recently lost by only 1 or 2 votes and it would have been NO background checks and a possibility for machine guns. Brilliant stuff. And you know the background checks I'm talking about are the loopholes at gun shows. You can try to play dumb like LaPierre but video doesn't lie. Of course he later states "There are no loopholes" after the Corporate Weapons Manufacturers padded his pockets.


4) I ended with flair again. And you are skee(R)ed.
 
We want the same thing. Most of us anyway. We want to keep our guns.

But fighting against things that prevent criminals from obtaining guns only creates more gun violence and puts gun ownership at more risk. And fighting for the right to obtain "toys" such as a 100 round mag that are not necessary only present a risk to crowds. The Right constantly states that they wouldn't even use a 100 round mag if they were going to have a massacre because they jam and they would bring mags because with training they can swap them out fast and they won't jam. So lets ban the 100 round mags since the Militia prefers the smaller mags that don't jam and the 100 round mag has no purpose except for a new gun owner who decides to hold a massacre because they haven't trained in mag swapping. News; They don't always jam...:whoa:

Most Right Wingers don't even know what the gun talk is about. They are so scared they will lose their guns because the NRA and Republican party have told them to be they can't think. The talk isn't about guns in general. The talk is about guns/accessories with massacre potential. It's why you hear Right Wingers lie and say Australia banned guns, but they didn't ban all guns. They put in place max ammo in a magazine more harsh than what we want to see here in the USA, but they didn't ban all guns like the Right is selling.

If you truly have weapon knowledge, then you should know that some weapons present more risk in a shoulder to shoulder situation with hundreds of people than others. Now if you try to de-rail and state "home made bombs yadda" then I will remind you that BOMBS ARE ILLEGAL...
 
I do understand the danger level a gun has. I use them to take life several days a year. I don't see a problem with the comparison when folks scour the web for random acts of stupidity carried out by people using guns. Even the most sane person you may know can snap and do something stupid. So you'll only achieve e success you desire if you completely do away with guns and/or private gun ownership. And have you tried to buy a gun lately? The last one I bought was complete with a white form to fill out, a call to the authorities to find out if I'm a criminal or if I'm crazy. You know, the kind of thing you want to happen.



I don't know of anyone who would call this puppy shooter or any other person Zap finds and posts about using a gun irresponsibly as a "responsible gun owner." People who demonstrate such irresponsibility need to be, and usually are, addressed by the law.



We have laws already in place to fulfill your request. Your statement following does not have a bit of truth to it, but way to address the people you are trying to persuade as "morons." That is a pretty clever method of persuasive communication there.



And way to end with such a flair. But I "ain't skeered...just careful."

lr, good to hear from you sir. Excellent response. I like your style.
 
Of course SF's response has nothing to do with the topic of the OP...but having an honest discussion is just something that doesn't happen here.
Too many spin classes with his helmet on.
Why does he wear a helmet to spin class.
He thinks tubs are as dangerous as guns.
 
Limit guns
Ala uk
1/4 the murders
Moron


I find it hysterical that clowns like SF who spend page after page ridiculing and taunting me, suddenly decide:

DAMN...I guess it's finally time for some "honest debate"!

And I am just supposed to forget the badgering and derision and now answer their question.
 
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