Another fake Democrat poll exposed

[Flash]

The do change opinions of morons like you, that have a god like belief in polls.

If they can change my opinion then those polls are not meaningless--they are producing votes.

But that is a huge fallacy on your part because you are making the unfounded assumption I am voting for the person (winning or losing) in the polls. But both you and I and most JPP posters knew who we would vote for in 2020 four years ago, so polls are not going to change that.

You give the media an exaggerated power. You think people are going to decide how to vote based on what the polls say? That shows complete lack of knowledge about voting behavior of the American public.

 

[Into the Night]

A no-answer fallacy.

Mockery. Denial of logic.

The question was whether he will spend as much time and money in CA and NY as he will in battleground states.

False dichotomy fallacy. The question isn't valid.

We know he (meaning his campaign managers) will decide where to spend it,

No, he will. He is in charge of all of his campaign managers and staff.

but we know it is a waste of time and money in CA and the election will probably be decided in battleground states (those that are very close).

He is campaigning in California. He even visited California in February during a campaign stop.

How will the campaign know which states are close?

Currently elected party affiliation and behavior.

Polls.

Nope. Polls are completely meaningless.

That shows their value.

They have no value.

And which voters will his campaign target in those battleground states?

All States are battleground States. He is targeting all voters.

Polls will give them that information.

Polls will give him no information at all.

 

[artichoke]

It was very accurate. The polls showed the same result as the actual vote count.

There is no evidence of illegal immigrants voting--that is just Trump fake news.

You've repeatedly been proven wrong on this and just keep lying about it.

Again (and we can post this every time you try to pretend you weren't proven wrong), the examples of rampant Democrat voter fraud, including illegal immigrant voting, already repeatedly provided:

GA Secy of State office announces probe of alleged hacking attempt into voter registration

San Francisco Registers 49 Noncitizen Voters—at a Cost of More Than $6,300 Each

Nebraska Democrats 'Welcome' Refugees...With Voter Registration Forms

Maryland county's count suggests noncitizens voting across U.S.

Turns Out, Noncitizens Did Vote In November, Only Question Is How Many?

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

Study Claims Up To 2.8 Million Non-Citizens Voted In 2008

Orange County vote count suggests fraud

Skid Row voter fraud Prosecutors homeless offered cash cigarettes exchange hundreds

It Sure Looks Like Democrats in Florida Altered Ballots

Democrat-Directed Voter Fraud Uncovered In Florida

Report: Palm Beach Recount Is Missing A ‘Substantial’ Number Of Votes

Democratic Operative Explains Voter Fraud: We've Been Busing People in for 50 years

Arrest Florida election supervisor for voter fraud!

2012 Election: Nearly 200,000 Florida Voters May Not Be Citizens

Voting problems emerge across America

Poll officials allow 'tons' of illegals to vote

The people behind that Texas voter fraud ring have been identified

New Voter Fraud Cases Show Need to Secure Our Elections

Instances of Voter Fraud Continue to Mount, Further Compromising Our Elections

Twelve Employees of Dem-tied Group Charged in Indiana for Voter Registration Fraud

DOJ whistleblower: Obama years were 'Wild West' of voter fraud

23 Voter Fraud Cases from 2016 and Beyond

Kansas Prosecuting Illegal Immigrant For Casting Vote

Hundreds Of Non-Citizens Registered To Vote In Ohio, Investigation Finds

Report: Massive Voter Fraud Uncovered in Nevada

Recount uncovers serious fraud in Detroit

Yep, they were very accurate. But perhaps Arminus is giving them even MORE credit. According to him they were accurately able to predict that massive democratic voter fraud and the exact impact on the popular vote. You can't make up that kind of dumb.

Dumb is trying to pretend away the extensive level of already documented Democrat cheating (provided above) it took to get ANYWHERE NEAR where the polls said Democrats would be in that election. And that doesn't even take into account how many votes it cost conservatives when Democrats illegally hijacked and weaponized every part of the government against the them for partisan gain (see Lois Lerner pleading the 5th to avoid criminal prosecution for rigging elections by hindering conservative groups, Obama targeting conservative donors with fraudulent prosecutions, etc.) like the lawless, tyrannical extremists they constantly falsely accuse President Trump of being for fighting back.

 

[Flash]

They have no value.

All States are battleground States. He is targeting all voters.

Polls will give him no information at all.

This is not how campaigns operate. Trump's campaign made extensive use of polls, technology, and models based on turnout figures.

His visits to CA were primarily to raise money.

 

[Flash]

You've repeatedly been proven wrong on this and just keep lying about it.

Again (and we can post this every time you try to pretend you weren't proven wrong), the examples of rampant Democrat voter fraud, including illegal immigrant voting, already repeatedly provided:

My reference was to illegal immigrants voting. Almost all your articles refer to "non-citizens" (not illegals) and all those numbers were very small. The San Francisco article says illegals are eligible to vote in school board elections but not federal elections. Those articles specifically referring to illegals gave no evidence, just somebody speculating. The Kansas example used a headline that said "illegal" but the article actually said non-citizen and it was only prosecuting one person. Trump's claim of 3 million was pure trash.

Using sources such as the Daily Caller are not credible.

 

[artichoke]

My reference was to illegal immigrants voting.

And I provided you with evidence of ALL FORMS of Democrat voter fraud, INCLUDING illegal immigrant voting. Try to keep up, Captain Literacy.

Those articles specifically referring to illegals gave no evidence, just somebody speculating.

"Kris Kobach announced Wednesday he charged Victor David Garcia Bebek of Peru with three misdemeanor counts of voting unlawfully from 2012 through 2014. Bebek pleaded guilty to the charges."​

^^^ This is from one of those articles, and contains links to other articles reporting the same thing. That's not speculation at all, that's called following actual facts and evidence. You should try it sometime.

The Kansas example used a headline that said "illegal" but the article actually said non-citizen and it was only prosecuting one person.

Both descriptors are true. That's not a contradiction. It's just you being a dishonest moron.

Trump's claim of 3 million was pure trash.

Aimlessly lashing out at facts and evidence with none of your own is not refutation.

Using sources such as the Daily Caller are not credible.

 

[Nordberg]

Can Arminius actually believe the crap he posts? He is unhinged crazy right.

 

[artichoke]

Can Arminius actually believe the crap he posts? He is unhinged crazy right.

Off topic smears are not refutation.

 

[Nordberg]

There are no "fake "polls. Some are better than others like 538. Some are weaker like Gallup which is typically 7 points off, We know in what direction.

 

[artichoke]

There are no "fake "polls.

See? This ^^^

This blind faith in authority. This unquestioning sheep-like herd mentality of mindlessly accepting whatever obviously flawed pseudo-science you are spoon-fed with no independent thought...THIS is how Democrats ended up so humiliated by the Russia hoax. The DC swamp and CNN say it's real, so it must be, and anyone who questions their absurd conspiracy theory must be a conspiracy theorist.



It's straight-up embarrassing. I mean, do you ever listen to yourselves?

And yes, polls that are obviously designed to manufacture a pre-determined outcome (which is most polls) are demonstrably fake. Even if your programmers don't instruct you to think that far into the matter.



"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Twain (allegedly)

 

[Flash]

And I provided you with evidence of ALL FORMS of Democrat voter fraud, INCLUDING illegal immigrant voting. Try to keep up, Captain Literacy.

"Kris Kobach announced Wednesday he charged Victor David Garcia Bebek of Peru with three misdemeanor counts of voting unlawfully from 2012 through 2014. Bebek pleaded guilty to the charges."​

^^^ This is from one of those articles, and contains links to other articles reporting the same thing. That's not speculation at all, that's called following actual facts and evidence. You should try it sometime.

Both descriptors are true. That's not a contradiction. It's just you being a dishonest moron.

Aimlessly lashing out at facts and evidence with none of your own is not refutation.

You are not reading your own articles. For example, the David Garcia Bebek of Peru says:

"In an interview Wednesday afternoon, Kobach said officials learned of the voter fraud after Bebek became a naturalized citizen of the U.S. in February. At the naturalization ceremony, the new citizens were encouraged to register to vote."

If he was a naturalized citizen he had to be here legally or he would not have been eligible for citizenship. So, a non-citizen, not an illegal immigrant.

All immigrants here legally are non-citizens but not illegals. We can find several cases of non-citizens who are registered and a relatively small number of them actually vote. My references have all been about proof of illegals voting. Still no examples--even if you come up with a few cases that is a far cry from 3 million.

 

[Flash]

This blind faith in authority. This unquestioning sheep-like herd mentality of mindlessly accepting whatever you are spoon-fed with no independent thought...THIS is how Democrats ended up so humiliated by the Russia hoax. The DC swamp and CNN say it's real, so it must be, and anyone who questions their absurd conspiracy theory must be a conspiracy theorist.

Blind faith in authority includes believing any crazy lies told by Trump--more lies from the DC swamp.

 

[artichoke]

You are not reading your own articles. For example, the David Garcia Bebek of Peru says:

"In an interview Wednesday afternoon, Kobach said officials learned of the voter fraud after Bebek became a naturalized citizen of the U.S. in February. At the naturalization ceremony, the new citizens were encouraged to register to vote."

Wrong again. You are not reading my assertions (again with your persistent literacy issues). Again, the claim is that this list shows a full spectrum of Democrat voter fraud (the kind you liars insist 'never happens' but is somehow on the news daily), INCLUDING illegal immigrant voting.

Come back when you learn how to comprehend plain English.

 

[artichoke]

Blind faith in authority includes believing any crazy lies told by Trump--more lies from the DC swamp.

Who's doing that? Following the evidence is actually the OPPOSITE of blindly believing in lies, which only Democrats are actually doing.



The evidence has shown conclusively from the beginning that President Trump was framed. DEMOCRATS are the only ones who refused to consider what the evidence was showing...because of blind faith in authority...hence my entire point here.

Comprehend it yet?

 

[Flash]

Who's doing that? Following the evidence is actually the OPPOSITE of blindly believing in lies, which only Democrats are actually doing.



The evidence has shown conclusively from the beginning that President Trump was framed. DEMOCRATS are the only ones who refused to consider what the evidence was showing...because of blind faith in authority...hence my entire point here.

Comprehend it yet?

Sorry, I thought you believed Trump's claim that there were 3 million illegal votes in 2016.

 

[Flash]

Wrong again. You are not reading my assertions (again with your persistent literacy issues). Again, the claim is that this list shows a full spectrum of Democrat voter fraud (the kind you liars insist 'never happens' but is somehow on the news daily), INCLUDING illegal immigrant voting.

Come back when you learn how to comprehend plain English.

My post was not about the full spectrum of voter fraud--that is another issue. My post was only about the lack of evidence proving illegals voting.

If we are going to talk about the full spectrum of voter fraud, we need to include Republicans in that list like the NC House seat thrown out because of mail-in ballot fraud. One party is no worse than the other when it comes to such tactics.

 

[artichoke]

Sorry, I thought you believed Trump's claim that there were 3 million illegal votes in 2016.

Because that's what the EVIDENCE indicates, sure.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

Don't worry, you'll comprehend it eventually.

 

[artichoke]

My post was not about the full spectrum of voter fraud

Right. I gave you MORE than you asked for, partly to head off your next set of lies about voter fraud also "never happening," and partly because I overestimated your IQ and your ability to tell the difference between which articles were asserting what.

Obviously, I was mistaken.

 

[Flash]

Because that's what the EVIDENCE indicates, sure.

Trump Is Right — Millions Of Illegals Probably Did Vote In 2016

Don't worry, you'll comprehend it eventually.

There is no such evidence. The sources you cited had very few cases of people voting illegally. The first one says they are "investigating" but did not prosecute. One was about illegals voting in school board elections which is legal. Another was about giving refugees voter registration applications which is not illegal and did not claim even one refugee actually registered.

Extrapolating that to 3 million is crazy.

 

[Flash]

Right. I gave you MORE than you asked for, partly to head off your next set of lies about voter fraud also "never happening," and partly because I overestimated your IQ and your ability to tell the difference between which articles were asserting what.

Obviously, I was mistaken.

You make erroneous assumptions. I never thought voter fraud never happens and have posted about several cases including the Heritage Foundation database listing actual prosecutions. But even that database has only about 1,000 prosecutions over several years, so not enough to change any election outcome.

You may have given me more than I asked for but still gave us no documented cases of illegals voting. You gave us speculation and non-citizens. This is what you want to believe, not what actually happened.