Another chickenshit vigilante with a gun...

A not-so-smart ALEC?


ALEC is a conservative "nonprofit policy organization" whose major funders include the billionaire Koch brothers.

It’s been associated with laws like Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law (allowing citizens to use deadly force rather than retreat in the face of a potentially life-threatening encounter) as well as with efforts to restrict voter registration – neither of which has much to do with the organization’s stated pro-business agenda.



http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...h-and-politics
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bravo said:

This entire post is irrelevant to what we're talking about.....of course you don't act like a fool when you're out gunned, out manned, or out muscled....
That isn't the point at all.....

the point is when you attacked and you HAVE the ability to defend yourself, your claiming your should retreat like the OLD LAW demanded.....before the SYG provision you
were REQUIRED to retreat out of danger, surrender, give up, and run away.......give up.... things we all would do if we had no choice in the matter.....

But with a means of retaliation, you don't have to surrender, you can STAND YOUR GROUND and fight back.....


The Zimmerman case isn't even a case of syg.....its a case of defending yourself while being attack....there was no chance to run away or retreat.....only to fight back
as someone on top of you beat the shit out of your face....
The entire issue was distorted and spun by the left wingers right from the get go....from the first rediculous claim of "white" Hispanic...
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for sure I went off tangent because:
the SYG provision you
were REQUIRED to retreat out of danger, surrender, give up, and run away.......give up.... things we all would do if we had no choice in the matter.....

But with a means of retaliation, you don't have to surrender, you can STAND YOUR GROUND and fight back.....
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the legal response to what was stupid arrests of homedwellers to the old law "requiring a duty to flight"

I was simply showing that no matter what the law allows now, vs before when "a duty to flee" was in force, the really smart thing is flee.

SYG is a legal reaction to the old charging of ppl because they didn't attempt to flee. understod, and agree the prevous law with "duty to flee" was counter-productive.

I really am not arguing the legalities, rather what I think is the best course,,,,flee before flight.
I'm not so interested in abstract legal debates as to what is the best way to save your life. Get out of Dodge, and don't play Wyatt Earp.
 
bravo said:
You feel you can be forced out of your car or house or away from your family, if threatened....you MUST run away and not defend yourself when threatened...
Is that what you think is justice and freedom is....?....

Maybe if you're threatened you should just kill yourself and save the thug prison time and the taxpayers the expense of housing him for the few weeks he might serve.
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None of the instances you reference have anything to do with this case, or the Martin murder.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Florida=Self styled vigilante shoots unarmed man in cold blood.


Texas=Self styled vigilante shoots unarmed man in cold blood.


Nope...NOTHING about the two similar in any way whatsoever.
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Shame that Zimmerman didn't video his murder of Martin.
 
annata said:
for sure I went off tangent because:
the legal response to what was stupid arrests of homedwellers to the old law "requiring a duty to flight"

I was simply showing that no matter what the law allows now, vs before when "a duty to flee" was in force, the really smart thing is flee.

SYG is a legal reaction to the old charging of ppl because they didn't attempt to flee. understod, and agree the prevous law with "duty to flee" was counter-productive.

I really am not arguing the legalities, rather what I think is the best course,,,,flee before flight.
I'm not so interested in abstract legal debates as to what is the best way to save your life. Get out of Dodge, and don't play Wyatt Earp.
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In the Martin murder, as well as this murder, at no time would the shooters' lives have been in 'danger' if they hadn't gone looking for someone to shoot.

For the majority of gun owners who wish to 'stand their ground', simply pulling out the gun would deter an attacker from continuing with the robbery/assault, etc. They aren't driving around looking for people to shoot.


The problem with the law, is that it doesn't require that you weren't the original aggressor. When they start throwing the Zimmermans in jail, we may see a stop to these stories.


The idiot in this story is definitely going to jail.
 
KingofCats said:
those that are anti-gun are anti-american and should get the fuck out. just because you are pussies doesn't mean we all are.
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I know most of the time you just talk bollocks to get a reaction but maybe you mean it this time, the situation in the USA is just insane to us toothless Brits.
 
bravo said:
I'll buy that.....I agree.....no doubt about it in this case....he should and if there is any justice, he will be found guilty.....

This case has nothing to do with the syg law.....nothing.
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That's too bad because his lawyer is using the SYG law as the basis for his defense.

Zimmerman's acceptance by numerous gun nuts who have donated to his cause have brought the weirdos out of the woodwork, each of them thinking they are some kind of "Dirty Harry" because they've got a gun and a law they believe they can hide behind after they gun down the neighbors.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That's too bad because his lawyer is using the SYG law as the basis for his defense.

Zimmerman's acceptance by numerous gun nuts who have donated to his cause have brought the weirdos out of the woodwork, each of them thinking they are some kind of "Dirty Harry" because they've got a gun and a law they believe they can hide behind after they gun down the neighbors.
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annata said:
guns are insane (IMHO) the lead to a casual disregard for life.
Kinna like the freaking drones we use - it just becomes part of life <end rant>

This gy was nuts, too much freaking violent society. we get ALL upset because of a breast "wardrobe malfunction", but don't even blink an eye when we hear of gun deaths.
They are ingrained in our society, and our minds. Fuck them. I will NEVER own one.

If ppl thought about just how difficult -how much struggle it takes to kill a human with your arms, and hands and feet - and used the same process for a gun, maybe they'd think twice ( point being in martial arts, you get hit back!).

SYG has got to go. But guns are american as apple pie and perpetual wars. still this law is as bad as it gets.
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I'm with you. I prefer breasts to guns. ;)
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That's too bad because his lawyer is using the SYG law as the basis for his defense.

Zimmerman's acceptance by numerous gun nuts who have donated to his cause have brought the weirdos out of the woodwork, each of them thinking they are some kind of "Dirty Harry" because they've got a gun and a law they believe they can hide behind after they gun down the neighbors.
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I didn't even know the trial started yet.....Oh, it didn't ?....

then stfu...you haven't heard his defense yet.


Poor AssWipe.....sticks his 1 cent in....
 
bravo said:
I didn't even know the trial started yet.....Oh, it didn't ?....

then stfu...you haven't heard his defense yet.


Poor AssWipe.....sticks his 1 cent in....
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At least I'm not some ignorant douchebag lacking the brainpower to understand the "trial" I was referring to is the one involving the fireman and being conducted in Houston as we speak.
 
Yurt said:
lol - civil
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As usual, not a peep from Mr Fair & Balanced about bravo's oh so civil post too me first...

What am I saying? I forgot for a moment that everyone already knows Yurt is just another hyper partisan hack whose incessant whining about being "even handed" is just more smoke for everyone's asses.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Another coward made "brave" all because he's got a gun...

Stand Your Ground? Texas man kills teacher over noise complaint:


A Texas man says he was justified in killing an elementary school teacher over a noise complaint because he was “standing my ground.”

Retired firefighter Raul Rodriguez is hoping that a video that he taped himself will prove that he was acting in self-defense when he gunned down P.E. teacher Kelly Danaher outside the victim’s home near Houston in May 2010.

On the video that was presented as evidence in court on Wednesday, loud music can be heard as Rodriguez tells Danaher to “turn it down.”

“You need to stop right there,” Rodriguez says. “Don’t come any closer please. I’m telling you, I’m telling you, stop, I said stop right now or I will shoot you! … I fear for my life. I told you to stop, my life’s in danger, you got weapons on you, stay away from me.”

While standing in Danaher’s driveway with a flashlight and a gun, Rodriguez is also on the phone with a 911 dispatcher using the buzzwords he learned in concealed weapons class, according to the prosecutor.

At one point, one the men Rodriguez confronted suggests that he will get his own gun: “When I go in that house and come back, don’t think I won’t be equal to you, baby.”

“I’m talking to you, and I mean, I’m scared to death here,” Rodriguez explains to the dispatcher. “It’s about to get out of hand, sir. Please help me, now. I’m standing my ground here.”

Moments later, the video ends after a crack of gunfire.

“This is a difficult defense to mount,” legal analyst Dana Cole told ABC News. “He had no injury, he brought a gun to a noise complaint, and it appeared he was escalating it by baiting the party-goers.”


KHOU legal expert Gerald Treece also questioned the suspect’s motive.

“Nobody’s hold your own ground, or stand your own ground laws are ever on the side of the person who started the fight,” Treece said.

Texas’ “Castle Doctrine” is similar to Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law because it says that gun owners no longer have a “duty to retreat.”

In the wake of the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin earlier this year, state Rep. Garnet Coleman (D) warned that the same type of situation was possible in Texas.

“It can happen here,” Coleman pointed out. “The law is the same – the law that protects the guy that shot Trayvon.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/...texas-man-kills-teacher-over-noise-complaint/
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Sounds like the murderer was on something. Are we sure this wasn't a pot smoking liberal?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
As usual, not a peep from Mr Fair & Balanced about bravo's oh so civil post too me first...

What am I saying? I forgot for a moment that everyone already knows Yurt is just another hyper partisan hack whose incessant whining about being "even handed" is just more smoke for everyone's asses.
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you're the one who runs around the board whining about people insulting and not being civil.....bravo doesn't....

i don't think you're smart enough to figure that out
 
Yurt said:
you're the one who runs around the board whining about people insulting and not being civil.....bravo doesn't....

i don't think you're smart enough to figure that out
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And you're the one who runs around the board whining about how any number of LIBERALS on these boards aren't "fair & balanced" with their recriminations...something you yourself can't seem to manage.

You hijack thread after thread with your "I wonder if (insert Liberal here) will call out (insert another liberal here) for blah blah blah..."

So how's about it?

Where's your smackdown of bravo Mr. "Fair & Balanced"?
 
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