Billy the Great Khan
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I don't remember those, but again, I stopped caring.
And THIS, Mr. Obama, is a REAL Brazilian!
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I don't remember those, but again, I stopped caring.
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So when did you start caring?
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...s-BP-taking-all-the-blame&p=666572#post666572
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Billy the Great Khan
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Back in Nevuary.
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At least you will recall that I wasn't critical of BP at the time. I pointed out how these things can and do happen, such as the Exxon mishap. I pointed out how BP was being singled out because it is foreign.
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Many of us are not on the board on the weekend. Just be patient and if you feel a story has merit for discussion, wait until Monday and bump it up.
That said, yes, many ripped into BP and rightfully so. But it was not BP alone that got shredded. RIG did, as did our government for their lax monitoring of the drilling.
I will read Low's article now and then comment more on it later.
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What exactly are you proclaiming Chevron is hiding? As we saw with the Horizon rig, there were wide discrepancies in estimates of the spill.
As for the ships, if SkyTruth is correct and it is over 900 square miles, then unless the tech's sent to investigate were in a plane, then it stands to reason they might not have seen other ships.
As for RIG, who was denying responsibility for Horizon?
Lowaicue
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If you just google 'chevron', 'Oil spill', 'Hides' you will get enough info to at least be cautious about claiming your country's innocence. You will also find other references to their 'niggardlyness' with the truth.
It wasn't so much the denials per se, but even your president, in many respects a reasonable man, hit the button marked 'xenophobia' and blasted into the 'British' part of BP with no mention of Halliburton or Transocean. Lets see what he says about Chevron paying compensation to Brazil, shall we? Your press seems to be peculiarly silent.
The gulf states creamed their Levis at the sight of BPs executives standing on the polluted shore and then tried every scam in the book to screw money from perfidious Albion.
Lowaicue
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RIO DE JANEIRO (Dow Jones)--Brazilian authorities imposed Monday the first fine on Chevron (CVX) for an offshore oil spill as they accused the oil giant of being ill-prepared to manage the incident.
Brazil's leading environmental regulator, the Brazilian Institute of the Environment and Renewable Natural Resources, or Ibama, imposed a $28 million fine on the local unit of Chevron. At the same time, Brazil'sNational Petroleum Agency, or ANP, said Chevron wasn't ready to carry out the emergency plan approved by local oil regulators during the spill.
"We approved an emergency plan, and they were not prepared for this type of emergency plan," said Haroldo Lima, president of Brazil's primary regulator for the oil and natural gas industry. Specifically, Chevron wasn't ready to cement the well that was the primary source of the leaking oil, something that ANP demands, Lima said.
In a statement, Chevron disputed ANP's remarks, saying its personnel were trained and prepared to address a potential emergency incident of this type.
"From the moment of first notification, we moved quickly to begin plugging and cementing procedures to seal the source," company spokesman Lloyd Avram said in an email. "Our combined efforts greatly diminished the size of the sheen and stopped the source of the seep flow within only four days of first detection."
Chevron said it assumed full responsibility for the incident and that it estimated the total volume of oil from the spill at approximately 2,400 barrels. That is slightly below ANP estimates of up to 3,000 barrels of crude leaked over eight days, including about 330 barrels a day at the leak's peak on Nov. 11.
ANP said Chevron will face at least three "notices of infraction," including one for the ill-prepared emergency plan. The notices will be issued Monday by the ANP, and won't substitute for a larger infraction or penalty at a later date, he added.
Chevron said it hasn't yet received assessment notices from any government authority and that it is investigating the cause of the spill. The ANP is monitoring 28 points along nine fissures that leaked oil, with only one of the 28 leaking "residual" oil, Lima said. While the ANP considers the oil spill under control, Lima said because some of the monitoring sites still had drops of oil, the regulator didn't consider the seepage "completely controlled."
Chevron said Monday it believes no new oil is seeping from the reservoir and that seep lines continue to drain in the form of droplets.
Chevron could face other fines that could be at the same level as the one imposed by Ibama. "It's safe to say that this will generate a heavy fine for whoever caused the problem," Lima said, adding that the calculation of possible fines will take some time.
President Dilma Rousseff is expected to meet with Mines and Energy Minister Edison Lobao and Environment Minister Izabella Teixeira later Monday to discuss the oil spill.
Transocean Ltd. (RIG), the drilling contractor that owns the offshore rig Chevron leased to rig the well, says the company "continues to fully cooperate with Chevron, the operator of the well, and the Brazilian authorities on all aspects of this matter."
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I wasn't trying elicit general discussion so much as get Topspin aka The Dude to say something. He was vocal enough about BP last year yet is strangely silent about the company he works for, namely Chevron. It looks like the spill is fairly minor but it seems that was more luck than judgement.
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1) Chevron is a corporation. Not 'our government'.
2) I am sure there are all sorts of environmental left wing sites that will pop up on google proclaiming that Chevron is 'hiding' something.
BP was the owner of the site. They are ultimately responsible for the Horizon spill. That said, Obama is a tool and often emotes on issues he doesn't comprehend, then knee-jerk reacts in manners that make little sense. Like barring much deep sea drilling off the US coast while at the same time backing a Soros deep seas drilling effort in Brazil.
I would agree that this hasn't been in our press much (if any). To be honest, your article was the first I had heard of it. To be fair to our media, they are busy constantly shifting their attacks from one Republican front runner to the next. They don't have much time for other news.
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So essentially the above shows your OP link's environmental group was the one misleading people. Their estimate of over 3000 barrels per day is way out of line with the estimates of a total of 3000 barrels over 8 days by the Brazilian government. In contrast, Chevron was at a total of 2400 in its estimate. So again, what exactly are they supposed to be 'hiding'?
In addition, the reason we probably aren't hearing as much about this as the horizon spill is that Horizon was about 4.9 MILLION barrel spill vs. 3000 barrels.... slightly different scope.
Lowaicue
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This really is not a question of quantity. This is about your president and your people who say through one side of their mouths that the US and UK are allies and from the other cannot help but take an easy pot shot.
It is also about, to some extent, Chevron's duplicitous mission statement as shown in their 'We support small businesses' crap on TV.
If they think small businesses are so good why don't they become one? If your president and citizenry want to blame the UK for every ill that befalls you then why insist on an alliance? If we are so bad, move your friggin bases off our soil. If we are so bad invent your own culture and leave us to rot, if that be our destiny, without your horrendous clothes, loud mouths and fat arses.
Remember the three fingers that point back at you.
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Please.... it is about the quantity/impact. Do you seriously believe a multi million barrel spill is going to get the same attention/criticism as a 3000 barrel spill? It is not. Ever.
The US and UK are allies, that doesn't mean they should never find fault in what the other does. The UK had plenty of criticism of Bush and the things they did not agree with him on. I would concede that the criticism rarely comes from the PM, but that may be due to the power structure between the two.
That is just ridiculous. They should stop doing business and fire most of their employees to become a small business because they want to support small businesses? That makes no sense. You do not have to become something you support. We all support fire fighters, rescue workers, men and women in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean we should all become one of them to justify our support of them. The same holds true for business.
Every ill? He hammered a British company for a spill on one of their sites. What other ills has he blamed on the UK?
Not a question of you being 'bad' in my opinion, but I am a strong proponent of removing foreign bases that we no longer need. I would guess that those in the UK (and most of the EU) would fit that criteria, but I would leave that decision to those in the military who know far more on the topic than I do.
I would say we invented our own culture long ago. It is that very culture that annoys so many in Europe. That said, we do have way way way too many fat arses that need dietary and exercise regimens to get them healthier.
As for the fingers, they aren't pointing back at me, three are pointing DOWN... one UP... can you guess which?
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He wasn't very happy about the British role in Kenya and the suppression of the Mau Mau.
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a couple hundred barrels are you crocked tooth brits kiding me
How many people died? British Petro is the scurge of the industry and gives us all a bad name.
You british pieces of shit killed over 35 Americans and spilled millions of bbl's cause you can't do it right.
did they hire you laid of auto engineers of two decades ago?
How many people died? British Petro is the scurge of the industry and gives us all a bad name.
You british pieces of shit killed over 35 Americans and spilled millions of bbl's cause you can't do it right.
did they hire you laid of auto engineers of two decades ago?
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American pieces of shit, in the form of Occidental, killed 179 on Piper Alpha, fucked off out of the country as fast as they could and then paid derisory compensation to the dead men's families.
Anyway, it was several thousand barrels and as far as I can see it was more luck than judgment that your company Chevron didn't have something far worse on their hands. As usual, you are doing your arrogant prick impersonation which you're so good at, for someone that claims to be so clever your English is appalling. Your maths is not much better as 11 + 15 = 26 last time I checked.
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LOL, the slimy Limeys have much butthurt about America's rage regarding BP's criminal actions in the Gulf, and are incensed because we don't give a fuck about Chevron & Bra-fucking-zil.
Let me make it clear for you, Brit-shit:
Let me make it clear for you, Brit-shit:
Lowaicue
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LOL, the slimy Limeys have much butthurt about America's rage regarding BP's criminal actions in the Gulf, and are incensed because we don't give a fuck about Chevron & Bra-fucking-zil.
Let me make it clear for you, Brit-shit:
I, for one, am not surprised that you just do not understand.
I do understand that you demonstrate an extreme childishness in this post with your pretty picture and your silly assonance.