an investment that pays 7 to 1

it works to level poor kids educational achievementswith kids who get all the support MONEY can bring.


then it makes them better citizens for LIFE.

AND IT SAVES US MONEY.


its a win win win win win situation.

so what does your stupid fucking ass do?


try to say we shouldn't do it
 
Attending a higher
-
poverty school in fifth grade was associated with poorer academic outcomes
and a lower cumulative success index. These associations were found within all of the racial/ethnic
subgroups. Attending a school with a higher concentration of minority students was associated with
lower PPVT scores and more externalizing behavior problems. Generally, minority students fared
better when in schools with a moderate concentration of minorities compared to those in schools
with high or low concentrations of
same
 
tinfoil said:
You folks are the ones who accept government as the authority. If you say it's junk, you agree with the the tea party. LOL
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Study had nothing to do with Head Start, and everything to do with the state of our education systems.
 
tinfoil said:
So, conviently, Head Start is not part of government education system? Perhaps we need a venn diagram for you
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Why did you purposely redact the first part of the study, that showed Head Start most definitely provided benefits to these kids?
 
evince said:
they make them suffer so they can say


"well look at them Ni88ers....man I hate those people"

"Im so much better than them"


they need to push people down and beat on them so they can pretend that means they are better in comparison.


fucking racists
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No wonder you got banned from the APP board and find participating in an actual debate so frightening, you are incapable of holding an actual discussion where there's an exchange of ideas without having to cuss and swear and call names to anyone who disagrees with you or attempts to present contrary information to what you believe.
 
what are you talking about? I cited the conclusions. I never said the kids don't get some benefit. However, the value of the benefit falls to zero by the time they get to 5th grade. It's a band-aid solution. By the time the fifth grade rolls around, the eductaional system has ensured the child will be dumbed down and on par with their peers.

Head Start might work if the educational system was worth a shit.
 
Weighing all of the evidence and not just that cited by partisans on one side or the other, the most accurate conclusion is that Head Start produces modest benefits including some long-term gains for children. The much maligned public schools produce larger gains in achievement beginning in kindergarten which may well erase some of Head Start’s gains, but such efforts can be costly. Head Start’s cost-savings and other benefits may well exceed its costs. Yet, that is not enough. Head Start could produce larger gains if the program was better focused and made other improvements. Reforms being implemented by the Obama administration are an important step in that direction. More are needed including substantial deregulation at the federal level that would permit greater flexibility an innovation. Unshackled from unrealistic mission expansion and agency micromanagement, and refocused on education as job one, Head Start could actually produce the results that both its critics and defenders seek.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...oes-head-start-work-for-kids-the-bottom-line/

 
tinfoil said:
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/grade5.pdf

page 47


Conclusions:
Consistent with the impact analyses presented in Chapter III, the nonexperimental analyses
show that Early Head Start enrollment was not significantly associated with key child and family
outcomes when children were in fifth grade. The analyses revealed a few significant associations
within racial/ethnic groups, however, with several favorable associations among white and African American children but unfavorable associations among Hispanic children. Among white and African American children, these associations reflected those found in the impact analyses. Among Hispanic children, a negative association between Early Head Start and ECLS-K Mathematics scores did not reach statistical significance in the impact models, although the direction was the same. Participation in a formal early care and education program at ages 3 and 4 was not significantly associated with cognitive outcomes in fifth grade, but it was associated with more externalizing behaviors, internalizing behaviors, and attention problems. Similar associations were found when
children were entering kindergarten; however, the associations were small and did not rise to the
level of clinical importance
(
Kisker
et al.,
unpublished manuscript
).
Among African American
children, formal program participation at ages 3 and 4 was associated with more family involveme
nt
in school when children were in fifth grade.
Attending a higher
-
poverty school in fifth grade was associated with poorer academic outcomes
and a lower cumulative success index. These associations were found within all of the racial/ethnic
subgroups. Attending a school with a higher concentration of minority students was associated with
lower PPVT scores and more externalizing behavior problems. Generally, minority students fared
better when in schools with a moderate concentration of minorities compared to those in schools
with high or low concentrations of
same
-
minority
students. For example, Hispanic students
attending mixed
-
ethnicity
schools performed better on language and literacy outcomes (PPVT and
ECLS
-
K Reading) than those attending schools with a low or high concentration of Hispanics.
African American students attending schools with a
low
concentration of African Americans tended
to have
more
externalizing and attention problems compared to those attending mixed-
race schools.
For the most part,
the individual early care and school
experiences
of children
prior to fifth
grade
were not strongly associated with children’s academic and social
-
emotional outcomes
for the
sample overall
relative to elementary school characteristics
at fifth grade
. Scho
ol characteristics at
fifth grade were individually associated with both social emotional and academic outcomes.
However
cumulatively, having
a higher number of potentially supportive program and education
al

Early Head Start Children in Grade 5
experiences (Early Head Start, formal early care and education at ages 3 and 4, and attendance at a lower-poverty school) was associated with better academic outcomes in fifth grade.
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You might have done something with the formatting here if you wanted people to read it!
 
tinfoil said:
Head Start might work if the educational system was worth a shit.
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Which is why that study is a commentary on the educational system, and not Head Start...as I've already explained.

Why focus on 5th grade? Why not 2nd, 3rd, or 4th? What's so magical about the 5th grade?
 
Althea said:
Which is why that study is a commentary on the educational system, and not Head Start...as I've already explained.

Why focus on 5th grade? Why not 2nd, 3rd, or 4th? What's so magical about the 5th grade?
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because that's when the studies have found that the benefit from head start programs no longer shows up and kids who didn't have the head start program are doing as well as kids who got the head start.

the studies find a diminishing benefit in lower grades.

You really don't understand science/statistics, do you?
 
So we can conclude that the idea behind head start is good, but the system in which it tries to work is incompatible with students reaching their potential. No matter how great the margin at the start, the educational system ensures students will rise to the same level.

This is what liberals strive for, so I don't get why you guys aren't thrilled. everyone the same!
 
Non college grads always lose me on their anti gov funding education rants!
You can literally see the car going off the tracks
 
The Dude said:
Non college grads always lose me on their anti gov funding education rants!
You can literally see the car going off the tracks
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what rant? I cited a government study that shows the limited value of early education. If the same kids could go on to private school settings thay would be able to build on their head start.

Why do you always build a strawman? You and I agree that education is important.

And why do you always rub salt in other's wounds? I wasn't fortunate enough to qualify for aid and so I attempted to fund college by working full time and attending classes every evening from 8 til 11. I was stupid to fall behind with the IRS during this period, but it was before the college tuition deduction was law. Penalties and interest meant that I had to give up. I didn't want to give up and I haven't forgotten the value of my education. So enough with your pointless ad homs
 
tinfoil said:
what rant? I cited a government study that shows the limited value of early education. If the same kids could go on to private school settings thay would be able to build on their head start.

Why do you always build a strawman? You and I agree that education is important.

And why do you always rub salt in other's wounds? I wasn't fortunate enough to qualify for aid and so I attempted to fund college by working full time and attending classes every evening from 8 til 11. I was stupid to fall behind with the IRS during this period, but it was before the college tuition deduction was law. Penalties and interest meant that I had to give up. I didn't want to give up and I haven't forgotten the value of my education. So enough with your pointless ad homs
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No shit you gave up!
It's obvious
If you don't want to be mocked
Do go to an education argument with zero college vs a bunch of people with 6 years
Kinda knife to a bazooka fight
 
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