Amsterdam is a safe city because drugs and prostitution are legal

Timshel

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-a-miron/marijuana-sex-and-amsterd_b_3867458.html

For the past twenty years, I have researched the economics of drug legalization versus drug prohibition. Based on this work and much other evidence, I have come to regard legalization as a policy no-brainer. Virtually all the effects would be positive, with minimal risks of significant negatives.


An important piece of that research has been examination of drug policy in the Netherlands, where marijuana is virtually, although not quite technically, legal. Until recently, however, I had never visited that country.


That changed last month when my wife, college-age offspring, and I spent a week in Amsterdam. The trip was not an excuse to smoke marijuana in the city's famous coffee shops; despite my pro-legalization position, I do not consume illegal drugs (dry martinis are another story).


Instead, we chose Amsterdam because it is an interesting city we hadn't visited (and because we had frequent flier miles for non-stop flights). We visited the standard tourist destinations such as the Van Gogh Museum and the Anne Frank House, enjoyed rijsttafel (Dutch-Indonesian smorgasbord) and Dutch beer, and avoided being run over (just barely) by the 600,000 bicycles in Amsterdam.


I also visited the famed Red-Light District, which hosts numerous marijuana-selling coffee shops and legal prostitution (with my wife by side; draw your own conclusions). Legalization advocates point to Amsterdam as evidence that legalization works, at least for marijuana. Legalization critics, such as former White House Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske, believe instead that Dutch policy is flawed, generating crime and nuisance effects. Only first-hand observation could give me a clear view of which description is more accurate.


Beauty is often in the eye of the beholder, so die-hard prohibitionists might be unconvinced by my observations until they visit Amsterdam for themselves.


To my eye, however, the Red Light District could not have felt safer or more normal. Yes, marijuana was widely available. And yes, sexual services of all manner were openly for sale.


But nothing about the District felt unsafe, or suggested elevated crime or violence; I have felt less safe in many American and European cities. The area is full of young people, including many tourists, having fun or in search of it. Some were undoubtedly under the influence of marijuana or alcohol, or taking other risks. None of this "risk-taking," however, was harming anyone else.


The absence of violence is not surprising. Prohibition, not drug use, is the main reason for the association between violence and drugs, prostitution, gambling, or any banned good. In a legal market, participants resolve disputes with lawyers, courts, and arbitration. In an illegal market, they cannot use these methods and resort to violence instead.


Thus the critical determinant of violence is whether an industry is legal, as the history of alcohol prohibition illustrates. That industry was violent during the 1920-1933 period, when the federal and many state governments banned alcohol, but not before or after. And if the government banned tobacco, or coffee, or ice cream, or any good with substantial demand and imperfect substitutes, a violent black market would arise.


Prohibition advocates might still oppose Dutch marijuana policy because they regard all use as undesirable, even if it generates no harm to third parties. Standard economics predicts that, other things equal, prohibitions reduce use by raising drug prices. But nothing in economics says price is the only determinant of use; for many consumers, other factors matter more.


And again, evidence from the Netherlands is informative. In 2009, the past year marijuana use rate was 11.3 percent in the United States but only 7.0 percent in the Netherlands. This does not prove that legalization lowers drug use; many other factors are at play. But these data hardly support the claim that prohibition has a material impact in reducing use.


When we were toured Amsterdam on a canal barge, the guide commented that, "Despite legal drugs and prostitution, Amsterdam is a safe city." My son, who has heard me rant about prohibition for years, looked up and quipped, "He should have said "Because drugs and prostitution are legal, right?"


Exactly.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-a-miron/marijuana-sex-and-amsterd_b_3867458.html
 
The only reason Hemp/Weed was deemed illegal was because of a Corporate power battle. Hemp lost.
 
Yep, it's safe as long as you're not a good looking young woman.


"Haha ha" screams the tyrant. "I fooled you into coming to Amsterdam and now you have to please men for a living, mwahahahaha"

Maybe fly back? Maybe don't have sex for money when asked to. Seems pretty simple.
 
The pro rape conservatives are worried about the safety of women?

Human trafficking would remain illegal and is a problem with or without legal prostitution.
 
The pro rape conservatives are worried about the safety of women?

Human trafficking would remain illegal and is a problem with or without legal prostitution.

I have to correct you again. The ones talking like this are not "Conservatives" and don't know the first thing about it. I know you know this, but worded it wrongly.

Lowering taxes to buy votes and passing that debt to the next tax payer is not Conservative.
 
I have to correct you again. The ones talking like this are not "Conservatives" and don't know the first thing about it. I know you know this, but worded it wrongly.

Lowering taxes to buy votes and passing that debt to the next tax payer is not Conservative.

You are off topic, troll.

I am happy with my choice of terms. You are confused once again and seem to think "conservative" implies an advocate of fiscal caution. Not in the political context. Conservatives are motivated and defined primarily by a desire to "conserve", maintain or restore the traditional power structures.
 
You are off topic, troll.

I am happy with my choice of terms. You are confused once again and seem to think "conservative" implies an advocate of fiscal caution. Not in the political context. Conservatives are motivated and defined primarily by a desire to "conserve", maintain or restore the traditional power structures.

You are profiling when you state that Conservatives are in one lump sum and not the ones with fiscal caution

Left Wingers are spending less than Right Wingers lately.

Google it.
 
so basically the OP says there is less crime overall because of legalization and the author documents that with how he felt walking down the street......I wonder if it would have made a better article if it were supported by data showing that there really have been fewer murders or rapes or burglaries or petty theft as a result....

What do Dutch police say.....
Local authorities in southwestern Roosendaal and Bergen-op-Doom announced they could no longer cope with the "drug tourists" whose presence they blamed for traffic congestion, crime and unlicensed dealing.

"Soft drug tourism is the motor of criminality linked to (harder) drugs," they said in a joint statement. "It has an overwhelming negative effect on public order."
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/local_news/Dutch-border-towns-close-coffee_shops.html
 
Prohibition, not drug use, is the main reason for the association between violence and drugs, prostitution, gambling, or any banned good. In a legal market, participants resolve disputes with lawyers, courts, and arbitration. In an illegal market, they cannot use these methods and resort to violence instead.
best way I have heard this stated.
 
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