America's 'Third World power grid'

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signalmankenneth

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Shhhh...don't talk about infrastructure....that costs money....talking about investing in our own country makes Republican baby Jesus cry.
 
Kel-Tec PMR-30 said:
Hey, not our fault you hate cheap, clean, safe and most importantly AMERICAN energy.
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Yeah....real clean....when one out if every 20 fracking wells fail as soon as they are first used and poisoning water supplies...and that doesn't include the ones that fail over time.

Regardless of your Strawman..... our grid operates at 40% efficiency. That means 60% of the electricity generated is lost in heat dissipation and transmission. This is unacceptable... who do you think pays for this gross inefficiency?
 
Steelplate said:
Yeah....real clean....when one out if every 20 fracking wells fail as soon as they are first used and poisoning water supplies...and that doesn't include the ones that fail over time.

Regardless of your Strawman..... our grid operates at 40% efficiency. That means 60% of the electricity generated is lost in heat dissipation and transmission. This is unacceptable... who do you think pays for this gross inefficiency?
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Actually I was referring to nuclear power. Fracking isn't the best option (though it should still be used in certain instances), and I'd rather we get rid of ALL oil based power and use petroleum solely for fuel at other non-energy related things.
 
Kel-Tec PMR-30 said:
Actually I was referring to nuclear power. Fracking isn't the best option (though it should still be used in certain instances), and I'd rather we get rid of ALL oil based power and use petroleum solely for fuel at other non-energy related things.
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The only issue I have with nukes is what to do with spent fuel rods....Fukushima was a fluke....but then again....when that fluke happens....it's damn near a permanent disaster.

But once again....60% loss. Ridiculous.
 
Steelplate said:
The only issue I have with nukes is what to do with spent fuel rods....Fukushima was a fluke....but then again....when that fluke happens....it's damn near a permanent disaster.

But once again....60% loss. Ridiculous.
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Resuse the fuel rods. France and other MODERN nuclear nations do. It reduces waste exponentially. As for the ineffiencies, it's due mostly to the AGE of our power grid (nuclear included). If we replaced 50% of our coal and oil power plants (the oldest, and therefore least efficent and dirtiest of the bunch) with new nuclear power plants, we would have a cleaner environment, a HUGE upsurge in skilled paying jobs (which will also serve as a teaching pool for future generations), be much more energy independant, reduced green house emissions (not something I particularly care about), and ultimately cheaper power for everyone involved. There is essentially NO downside to this.
 
Steelplate said:
The only issue I have with nukes is what to do with spent fuel rods....Fukushima was a fluke....but then again....when that fluke happens....it's damn near a permanent disaster.

But once again....60% loss. Ridiculous.
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This is has been covered several times by me, obviously you were out to lunch. They are not spent fuel rods as up to 97% of the rod is still uranium. You need to tell the loony treehuggers to go fuck themselves and build some reprocessing plants such as the one we have at Sellafield and/or open an underground disposal facility at somewhere like Yucca mountain.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
This is has been covered several times by me, obviously you were out to lunch. They are not spent fuel rods as up to 97% of the rod is still uranium. You need to tell the loony treehuggers to go fuck themselves and build some reprocessing plants such as the one we have at Sellafield and/or open an underground disposal facility at somewhere like Yucca mountain.
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Must not have caught that...I haven't been on this forum all that long....in general....I depart from many of.my fellow libs on nukes.

I don't on renewables though. I still think Hydrogen is the way to go for our vehicular needs. I even have an idea to make it happen.

One of the biggest challenges to Hydrogen technology is in the manufacturing process. It takes more energy to.produce hydrogen than the.energy it creates. You've seen those solar arrays over in the middle east that power entire cities? Put one in the Mojave...and the only thing it would be used for is the production of Hydrogen have it open to any current oil company to get in on the action. Let "we the people" build the array....they build the electrolysis plants.

That would give them free power....minus periodic charges for upkeep of the array....all they would have to do is built the plants and staff it.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Are there people living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? After the bombs were dropped they said nothing would live or grow for 75 years at least yet Hiroshima was back to its pre-bomb population of 410,000 by 1958.
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Yep....1 kiloton bomb....at a time when the full effects of radiation were first being studied....how long SHOULD have they stayed away is the appropriate questio. How's Chernobyl doing? I hear they are opening it up for visitors...you can stay a whole..what 1/2 hour or so before you Ned to get the hell out of Dodge?
 
Steelplate said:
Yep....1 kiloton bomb....at a time when the full effects of radiation were first being studied....how long SHOULD have they stayed away is the appropriate questio. How's Chernobyl doing? I hear they are opening it up for visitors...you can stay a whole..what 1/2 hour or so before you Ned to get the hell out of Dodge?
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That's the reactor itself. The surrounding area is, strangely enough, a fairly popular tourist area. Also the steps for Chernobyl to happen are....well I won't say impossible here, but it's not a legitimate concern.
 
Steelplate said:
Yep....1 kiloton bomb....at a time when the full effects of radiation were first being studied....how long SHOULD have they stayed away is the appropriate questio. How's Chernobyl doing? I hear they are opening it up for visitors...you can stay a whole..what 1/2 hour or so before you Ned to get the hell out of Dodge?
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Actually the yield was nearer 20 kilotons and human physiology hasn't changed in the intervening 70 odd years. If you want to discuss radiation and nuclear issues with me you need to marshall your facts beforehand.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4923342.stm
 
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