Amber Heard Sociopathic liar, Believe All Women, really?

Whether she reported it as a crime or not she claimed that Depp was abusive, Depp lost a job due to folks believing her. And they continued to believe her right up until we got to the trial where suddenly her own story works against her. Now folks do not believe Amber. This makes folks less likely to believe women who "claim" (report) such crimes and therefore puts women into more danger. Women need to have a path to safety, Amber has destroyed part of that path.
First, while others may disagree, I have no sympathy for an abusive alcoholic worth $140,000,000 who lost a fucking job.

Second, I strongly support justice. If Heard is guilty of defamation, so be it. If not, then let that be too. It’s the jury’s (or Judge’s) call, not a bunch of abusive incels or bleeding heart liberals.

As previously stated, Depp is clearly an abusive alcoholic so the only real dispute here is a matter of degree; whether or not he was as big of a fucking asshole as Heard wrote him up to be. Boo fucking Hoo.

FWIW, there are very, very few Hollywood wackadoodles with whom I’d want to share the same room for even a few minutes. I like Tom Cruise movies, but wouldn’t want to be within the same building with him much less the same room. Same goes for Depp and Heard. Listening to rich people whine how tough their lives are is not on my list of desires.
 
If one woman was able to destroy it, it wasn’t much of a path.

Abuse claims need to be believed, but investigated and verified.

That would be nice if it didn't involve destroying another human first, then trying to rebuild them after.

The reality is, false claims like Heard's only aid the idiots who want to believe that women make these claims falsely regularly to destroy the men they have come to hate.

Pretending that actions like Heard's cannot have an effect because you repeat platitudes doesn't change that someone was destroyed, and women will be less likely to be believed making some women who are already afraid to do something less likely to do something...

Things like this can negatively affect far more people than just Johnny. If you want women to be believed, then you can't dismiss when folks like Heard make false claims.
 
Could you provide specific links -- let's say to a particular post on Justplainpolitics where someone has argued we should "believe all women"?
Don’t hold your breath for an honest reply much less an actual answer.

IMO, never trust liars and assholes who refuse to back up their opinions with facts. They’re just lowlife scumbags.
 
Believe women
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"Believe women" is an American political slogan arising out of the #MeToo movement.[1] It refers to the necessity of accepting women's allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault at face value. Jude Doyle, writing for Elle, argues that the phrase means "don't assume women as a gender are especially deceptive or vindictive, and recognize that false allegations are less common than real ones."[1]

The phrase grew in popularity in response to the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. On September 28, 2018, the dating app Bumble took out a full page advertisement in The New York Times saying simply, "Believe women".[2]

In April 2020, a number of politicians and commentators discussed the Joe Biden sexual assault allegation in relation to the "Believe women" slogan. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized what she regarded as a lack of integrity relating to the issue: "If we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."[3] The National Review criticized what it considered to be Biden's hypocrisy in "his demand that Americans must believe women as a matter of unwavering reflex" during the Kavanaugh nomination. The editors said, "we hope that this incident has taught Biden that his previous approach toward accusations of sexual assault was dangerous, illiberal, and ultimately untenable."[4] On the other hand, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand stood by Biden and remarked, "When we say 'believe women,' it's for this explicit intention of making sure there's space for all women to come forward to speak their truth, to be heard. And in this allegation, that is what Tara Reade has done."[5]

According to The Atlantic, the adoption of a rule in Britain according to which law enforcement should believe reports of sexual assault and consider complainants to be victims led to improper police investigation of claims and the overlooking of contradicting evidence, resulting in the collapse of prosecutions and false accusations against the accused.[6][7]

Criticisms and "Believe all women"
The slogan has been criticized for encouraging a presumption of guilt. Michelle Malkin, writing for The Daily Signal, suggests that it is a form of virtue signalling.[8] Rebecca Traister, writing for The Cut, calls the phrase "compelling but flawed": it is often recast as "believe all women", and used as a "deeply problematic" and "clumsy imperative" that has "enfeebled the far more important argument that we should encourage them to speak more, and listen to them more seriously when they talk".[9]

"Believe all women" is a controversial alternative phrasing of the expression. Monica Hesse, in The Washington Post, argues that the slogan has always been "believe women", and that the "believe all women" variant is "a bit of grammatical gaslighting", a straw man invented by critics so that it could be attacked, and that this alternative slogan, in contrast with "believe women", "is rigid, sweeping, and leaves little room for nuance".[10] However, Robby Soave from Reason disagrees with this interpretation, saying that the initial concept itself is being 'memory-holed' and points out that many journalists including Sarah Faludi from the New York Times have admitted to having "encountered some feminists who seemed genuinely to subscribe' to the more extreme interpretation of the hashtag."[11]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women
 
That would be nice if it didn't involve destroying another human first, then trying to rebuild them after.

The reality is, false claims like Heard's only aid the idiots who want to believe that women make these claims falsely regularly to destroy the men they have come to hate.

Pretending that actions like Heard's cannot have an effect because you repeat platitudes doesn't change that someone was destroyed, and women will be less likely to be believed making some women who are already afraid to do something less likely to do something...

Things like this can negatively affect far more people than just Johnny. If you want women to be believed, then you can't dismiss when folks like Heard make false claims.
I think you miss my point, victims of abuse are rarely believed, and that is why only 5% report their abuse.
 
You're quite the expert on lowlife scumbags, huh, Dutchy?

Correct, Matt. It was part of my job in two full careers to identify threats and those who cannot be trusted.

Why do you think I had you and your scumbag friends pegged so quickly?
 
Correct, Matt. It was part of my job in two full careers to identify threats and those who cannot be trusted.

Why do you think I had you and your scumbag friends pegged so quickly?

You're the one that cannot be trusted.

you're a simp.

simps cannot be trusted. they always choose the womans side in hope of a whiff.
 
Yes. I assume there's no actual example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women

Believe women
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigationJump to search

Protestors hold signs in protest against the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination.
"Believe women" is an American political slogan arising out of the #MeToo movement.[1] It refers to the necessity of accepting women's allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault at face value. Jude Doyle, writing for Elle, argues that the phrase means "don't assume women as a gender are especially deceptive or vindictive, and recognize that false allegations are less common than real ones."[1]

The phrase grew in popularity in response to the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. On September 28, 2018, the dating app Bumble took out a full page advertisement in The New York Times saying simply, "Believe women".[2]

In April 2020, a number of politicians and commentators discussed the Joe Biden sexual assault allegation in relation to the "Believe women" slogan. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized what she regarded as a lack of integrity relating to the issue: "If we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."[3] The National Review criticized what it considered to be Biden's hypocrisy in "his demand that Americans must believe women as a matter of unwavering reflex" during the Kavanaugh nomination. The editors said, "we hope that this incident has taught Biden that his previous approach toward accusations of sexual assault was dangerous, illiberal, and ultimately untenable."[4] On the other hand, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand stood by Biden and remarked, "When we say 'believe women,' it's for this explicit intention of making sure there's space for all women to come forward to speak their truth, to be heard. And in this allegation, that is what Tara Reade has done."[5]

According to The Atlantic, the adoption of a rule in Britain according to which law enforcement should believe reports of sexual assault and consider complainants to be victims led to improper police investigation of claims and the overlooking of contradicting evidence, resulting in the collapse of prosecutions and false accusations against the accused.[6][7]

Criticisms and "Believe all women"
The slogan has been criticized for encouraging a presumption of guilt. Michelle Malkin, writing for The Daily Signal, suggests that it is a form of virtue signalling.[8] Rebecca Traister, writing for The Cut, calls the phrase "compelling but flawed": it is often recast as "believe all women", and used as a "deeply problematic" and "clumsy imperative" that has "enfeebled the far more important argument that we should encourage them to speak more, and listen to them more seriously when they talk".[9]

"Believe all women" is a controversial alternative phrasing of the expression. Monica Hesse, in The Washington Post, argues that the slogan has always been "believe women", and that the "believe all women" variant is "a bit of grammatical gaslighting", a straw man invented by critics so that it could be attacked, and that this alternative slogan, in contrast with "believe women", "is rigid, sweeping, and leaves little room for nuance".[10] However, Robby Soave from Reason disagrees with this interpretation, saying that the initial concept itself is being 'memory-holed' and points out that many journalists including Sarah Faludi from the New York Times have admitted to having "encountered some feminists who seemed genuinely to subscribe' to the more extreme interpretation of the hashtag."[11]
 
Don’t hold your breath for an honest reply much less an actual answer.

IMO, never trust liars and assholes who refuse to back up their opinions with facts. They’re just lowlife scumbags.

A while back I dug back through "believeallwomen" hashtags on twitter, to see where it came from. There were a handful of genuine liberals who used that hashtag early on... but by a handful, I mean literally three or four over the course of years, on an outlet that's so heavily trafficked that you can find tens of thousands of "jonnydepp" hashtags just because people suck at spelling. So, that "believeallwomen" hashtag was virtually unused by actual liberals before right-wingers started spamming the hell out of it to promote tweets purporting to take issue with a phrase that lefties were supposedly using, but that pretty much no lefties were actually using.
 
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