All bow to the leader - Rush Linbaugh....

cawacko said:
My new over/under for this thread is 200 posts. Damo likes to argue and Jarod is a freakin lawyer. It is quite interesting to read 100 posts on whether Rush meant the literal meaning of fail or if one needed to read between the lines.
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I take Rush at his word, Damo is trying to twist it by "reading between the lines"!
 
Jarod said:
He said he "hopes" the plans fail, acknoledging the possability that they will be successfull. You have made up some conviluted story about how what he really means is that he hopes they fail in the short run, because we all know he belives they will no matter what fail in the long run.

I take his word for it, Rush hopes the plans "fail".
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I didn't make it up. I posted a synopsis of what Rush actually said he meant. It isn't convoluted, it fits in a couple sentences and is clear.

Again, we agree. He hopes these policies fail.

What we don't agree on is your pretend motive that you make up on the spot that runs contrary to what the man actually said.

But since you are going to "take his word for it"... well, then you understand and are actually even more deliberately ignoring what he said than I was giving you credit for. You are quite deliberately deciding not to "hear" a portion of what the man said so you can assign whatever motive you wish to it.
 
Who cares what Rush says? only the lowlifes who need to take attention away from their own short commings, it seems..

it's becoming pathetic really
 
Jarod said:
To be fair, Jewish is a religen while Liberal is an ideology.
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You're missing the point or rather your point is not relevent. What is relevent is that they have used these terms as pejoratives to marginalize entire groups of people with the intent of demonizing them as threats to society. This is what the extremist in the far right are doing when they demonize those who disagree with them as "Liberals" just as the Nazi's did with "Jews". Either way it's a slippery slope to the gas chambers for those who don't agree with the far right.
 
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Damocles said:
I didn't make it up. I posted a synopsis of what Rush actually said he meant. It isn't convoluted, it fits in a couple sentences and is clear.

Again, we agree. He hopes these policies fail.

What we don't agree on is your pretend motive that you make up on the spot that runs contrary to what the man actually said.

But since you are going to "take his word for it"... well, then you understand and are actually even more deliberately ignoring what he said than I was giving you credit for. You are quite deliberately deciding not to "hear" a portion of what the man said so you can assign whatever motive you wish to it.
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IF thats what his intended message was, he should have just said so. I personally belive he was trying to grab headlines by saying something more incendary than what you are trying to explain away. Tired of carring his water yet?
 
Mottleydude said:
You're missing the point or rather your point is not relevent. What is relevent is that they have used these terms as pejoratives to marginalize entire groups of people with the intent of demonizing them as threats to society. This is what the extremist in the far right are doing when they demonize those who disagree with them as "Liberals" just as the Nazi's did with "Jews". Either way it's a slippery slope to the gas furnaces for those who don't agree with the far right.
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I haven't followed this thread so maybe I am missing the point here but are you doing any different when you label as "wing nuts" people you disagree with?

And even in the past eight years or so wasn't labeling someone as a "neo-con" the same attempt being made as what you describe above?
 
Mottleydude said:
You're missing the point or rather your point is not relevent. What is relevent is that they have used these terms as pejoratives to marginalize entire groups of people with the intent of demonizing them as threats to society. This is what the extremist in the far right are doing when they demonize those who disagree with them as "Liberals" just as the Nazi's did with "Jews". Either way it's a slippery slope to the gas furnaces for those who don't agree with the far right.
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Jeebus. Please.

Are you equally concerned with those who claim that "neocons" should be jailed?
 
Socrtease said:
Upon further reflection, I acknowledge that Mottley is right. I actually new Mortimer Snerd, Mortimer Snerd was a friend of mine. George W Bush is no Mortimer Snerd. Further, I wish to convey my heartfelt sorrow at causing Mr. Chas McCarthy and Candice Bergen, the daughter of the late great Edgar Bergen, any emotional distress by comparing their sibling, Mortimer Snerd to George W Bush. I should have known by the visible trauma suffered by the former President's actual brothers from being related to Shrub, that a comparison of that sort to a family not related could only been seen as hurtful and demeaning. I hope that this apology serves, in some small way, as attonement for my careless words. Again, I am sorry.
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Well said. It takes a strong man to admit to a mistake.
 
Jarod said:
IF thats what his intended message was, he should have just said so. I personally belive he was trying to grab headlines by saying something more incendary than what you are trying to explain away. Tired of carring his water yet?
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Look. I simply state what the man said.

I remember it well because it was one of the few times I actually listened to the guy.

You are the one who cannot understand that this is actually what the man said, and how he explained what he said.

It was after this became such a big deal to lefties with a mission, and I wanted to hear what he actually said.

Now, you can pretend that the only sentence he said was that one (it's not as incendiary as the reported "I hope he fails"), but it wasn't. I have simply and directly stated what the man said he said that day and what he said he meant.

You are the one attempting to make up a motive.

You are drinking the Huffpost kool aid and haven't "heard" a word that I have said, again it is because you so desperately want him to have meant what you say, you refuse to even pay attention to what the man said when he explained what he meant by the statement.
 
I hope President Obama's plans fail...


Has been turned into.

I hope Obama's plans fail in the short run, because I know they will fail in the long run.

If that was his intent, why did he just not say so? We are supost to interperate what he said and change it around to mean something different than the words he used in order to pretend he had a better intent?

Wow, that is really giving the bene of the doubt.
 
Southern Man said:
So by your argument you should be saying Rush = Goebbel. Nor is that true either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda



Rush is always railing on Liberalism as a movement based on emotion, where Conservatism is based on rational though and logic. Moreover, Rush is a broadcaster, and has no power to approve of any politician's statements before they utter them.

By the way fascism is forced socialism. Rush isn't socialist, and he's not forcing his policies on you.

It appears you have this whole thing backwards. *shrug*
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You're an idiot. Fascism is Stateism/Nationalism taken to the extreme of totalitarianism. Go study some history and come back to debate when you know what you're talking about.
 
Damocles said:
Jeebus. Please.

Are you equally concerned with those who claim that "neocons" should be jailed?
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Damocles said:
Yeah, and two wrongs make a right.

I get tired of the "They do it too!" argument that supposedly absolves people.

I'll tell you what I tell my own children: "They do it too!" is a confession, not an excuse.
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Hmmm.
 
Damocles said:
Look. I simply state what the man said.

I remember it well because it was one of the few times I actually listened to the guy.

You are the one who cannot understand that this is actually what the man said, and how he explained what he said.

It was after this became such a big deal to lefties with a mission, and I wanted to hear what he actually said.

Now, you can pretend that the only sentence he said was that one (it's not as incendiary as the reported "I hope he fails"), but it wasn't. I have simply and directly stated what the man said he said that day and what he said he meant.

You are the one attempting to make up a motive.
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No, what he said was, "I hope Obama's plans fail." You are trying to change the meaning of this simple sentence.
 
Socrtease said:
I would suggest you read up on fascism. Start with its beginnings and read Giovanni Gentile who, along with Mussolini, were the founders of the movement. It is at its very core a rejection of socialism, marxism and internationalism. I would say that Asshat (not meant as an insult AHZ) is one of the closest we have on here to a classical fascist. Fascism is very nationalist at its core. It rejects any international workers movement, and while it is collectivist, and statist. There is no desire in fascism to create a workers paradise. The problem with fascism is that you can't really compartmentalize it. There are right wing fascists, left wing fascists and center fascists. Hell I can't even properly discuss it here because it just requries a lot of time. But to pigeon hole it as "socialist" it to have no real understanding of the philosophy at all.
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I think you've clearly made the point on what fascism is.
 
Jarod said:
I hope President Obama's plans fail...


Has been turned into.

I hope Obama's plans fail in the short run, because I know they will fail in the long run.

If that was his intent, why did he just not say so? We are supost to interperate what he said and change it around to mean something different than the words he used in order to pretend he had a better intent?

Wow, that is really giving the bene of the doubt.
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He speaks for three hours, you turn it into one sentence then assign a motive that doesn't exist.

He talks about it the next day, explains what he meant. <- This is what I've reported hearing here today.

You pretend that one sentence is all that will ever exist of what he said on the subject because it is all you want to exist.

It's astounding.
 
Jarod said:
No, what he said was, "I hope Obama's plans fail." You are trying to change the meaning of this simple sentence.
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No, I am reporting on what the man said about the sentence.

What part of this time line confuses you?

1. Rush says the sentence.
2. Huffpost writes it, Jarod reads it and gets excited.
3. Rush talks about it after Huffpost report, laughing and explaining what he meant.
4. Damo sees thread Jarod has posted.
5. Damo reports on what he heard in step 3 (the only time Damo listened).
6. Jarod pretends that the one sentence exists in stone and nothing ever was said about it other than that one sentence.
 
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