All bow to the leader - Rush Linbaugh....

Jarod said:
Then he should have said that. Its not what he said. To me succeed means to be ultimatly successfull... not to innitially appear to be successfull but in the long run not be successfull.
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One more time for the deliberately slow.

Somebody can be successful at something you think will be ultimately detrimental.

I think he was concise.
 
Damocles said:
One more time for the deliberately slow.

Somebody can be successful at something you think will be ultimately detrimental.

I think he was concise.
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TO me that defies the defination of the word successfull. If it was ulimately detrimental... it was clearly not successfull. Even you can see that Damo, or you can continue to twist and contort to try to pretend Rush was saying something different than what he achually said.
 
Mottleydude said:
It also shows just how far over the extremist cliff the Republican party when Der Fuhrer is the voice of your party. Disgusting. What a slap in the face of the greatest generation to have a Nazi be the voice of the Republican party.
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Good luck with that Rush = Hitler tactic.
 
Darla said:
It's hysterical. Great move putting him in charge of the R party. If Republicans can't even stand up to Rush Limbaugh, how are they going to stand up to the terrorists?
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EXACTLY!!! That's just what I meant when called Rush a hypocrit for saying conservatives lacked testicular fortitude. What a hypocrit. Rush is a chicken hawk and doesn't have the balls God gave a bull tit mouse.
 
Onceler said:
Of course he does. If I want to move forward with a program, and I want to work with those who disagree with my priorities, I can certainly suggest to them that they'd be better served not listening to someone who simply wants me to fail, and is counseling those who disagree with me to not try to work w/ me & to oppose me every step of the way.

This is America, meme. We have freedom of speech. People can suggest basically whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm others.
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Oncie, you're talking to a wingnut. He doesn't understand the subtle difference between suggesting and telling.
 
Rush hopes that everything this President does turns to shit. He hopes this President fails in Afghanistan, he hopes that the economy tanks and unemployment hits 15%. Rush hopes that the dems pass healthcare and then americans die of a plague that the healthcare system cannot handle. Rush wants nothing good to happen in this country for the next 4 years so that the Republicans have a hope in hell of getting back power. It is all that matters to him. He knows that he will be getting no whitehouse birthday cakes from this President, he knows he won't be invited to see people get the presidential medal of freedom and it pisses his fat Immersed in BarBQ Sauce ass off to no end. Quit trying to pretend that he is any more than just a nasty partisan.
 
Jarod said:
TO me that defies the defination of the word successfull. If it was ulimately detrimental... it was clearly not successfull. Even you can see that Damo, or you can continue to twist and contort to try to pretend Rush was saying something different than what he achually said.
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This is inane.

Was Hitler successful in taking over Germany? Yes. Was it bad? Yes. Did he make a new economy successfully? Yes. Was it bad? Yes. Did it bring jobs and economic recovery? Yes.

Being successful at recovering the economy is not always good, if it is done in a way you believe can be detrimental. IMO, understanding that one can be successful at something that can be bad in the long run and stating that you hope it goes differently simply understands that you can lose, especially when you are in the minority.

Success is not the same thing as beneficent. And somebody can be successful at something you think is good, but I think is bad in the long run.
 
Socrtease said:
Rush hopes that everything this President does turns to shit. He hopes this President fails in Afghanistan, he hopes that the economy tanks and unemployment hits 15%. Rush hopes that the dems pass healthcare and then americans die of a plague that the healthcare system cannot handle. Rush wants nothing good to happen in this country for the next 4 years so that the Republicans have a hope in hell of getting back power. It is all that matters to him. He knows that he will be getting no whitehouse birthday cakes from this President, he knows he won't be invited to see people get the presidential medal of freedom and it pisses his fat Immersed in BarBQ Sauce ass off to know end. Quit trying to pretend that he is any more than just a nasty partisan.
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Amen.
 
Superfreak said:
I actually think it is good from a strategic point of view. Rush is an idiot and with the exception of the far right, most people know it. If the Reps don't counter this, the paint will dry and in the publics eye he will be a 'leader'. The attention will also boost his ego, which will in turn make him even louder and more obnoxious.
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You're absolutely correct. If the Republicans don't distance themselves from Rush he by proxy is Der Fuhrer.
 
Socrtease said:
Rush hopes that everything this President does turns to shit. He hopes this President fails in Afghanistan, he hopes that the economy tanks and unemployment hits 15%. Rush hopes that the dems pass healthcare and then americans die of a plague that the healthcare system cannot handle. Rush wants nothing good to happen in this country for the next 4 years so that the Republicans have a hope in hell of getting back power. It is all that matters to him. He knows that he will be getting no whitehouse birthday cakes from this President, he knows he won't be invited to see people get the presidential medal of freedom and it pisses his fat Immersed in BarBQ Sauce ass off to no end. Quit trying to pretend that he is any more than just a nasty partisan.
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LOL

The other night Keith Olbermann made a sort of crack about Rush having gotten fat, but then he stopped himself and said that he was opening up a whole can of worms on himself there. Because KO has put on some weight himself. Of course, on Keith it looks good.

Poor Rush, he was on the Oxycontin diet, i would assume people have figured that out by now. You're popping painkillers all day you don't want to eat. Easy diet.
 
Onceler said:
It's hypocritical, and dishonest. Dishonest because the stimulus represents no major foray into "socialism." Hypocritical - and sorry if you don't like "they do it too," Damo - because so much of the last 5+ years was spent calling Democrats "traitors" for even a perception that they didn't want the war in Iraq to succeed.

Personally, I DID want the war to succeed. I wholly reject the notion that the U.S. should engage in pre-emptive wars, but that doesn't translate into me wanting soldiers to fail & die to prove my "point."

Can you imagine if prominent Democrats came out & said they wanted the war to fail, because success would mean a certain philosophy was the right one?
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You make a great point. I stopped listening to Rush a long time ago because, not only is he an extremist but he's also the king of the Strawman argument and the "Just Suppose" hypotheticals. Both of which he uses in an extremely dishonest manner.
 
Damocles said:
This is inane.

Was Hitler successful in taking over Germany? Yes. Was it bad? Yes. Did he make a new economy? Yes. Was it bad? Yes.

Success is not the same thing as beneficent. And somebody can be successful at something you think is good, but I think is bad in the long run.
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Now you are on a new argument. You are again playing word games here. In your example you limited successfull to "taking over Germany". Hitler was successfull.

Rush was clearly saying he hoped Obamas plans to "fix the economy" were not successfull. If you are successfull at fixing the economy you have done a good thing. Rush was not saying, I hope he is not successfull at passing this legislation, he was saying he hoped the plans to fix the economy that had already passed were not successfull, if those plans were socialism. Rush was hoping the economy does not get fixed.
 
Socrtease said:
If I ran the propaganda wing of the dem party, I would run a commercial that showed the unemployment numbers, and then Rush saying "I hope the President Fails!" Then I would show a graph of the stock market and then Delay saying "I hope the President Fails!", and then the GDP numbers and then Santorum saying "I hope the President Fails!". Then I would show Obama saying something optimistic about doing something to help the american people. And telling people that while the Republicans pray for failure, President Barack Obama still cares and will do whatever possible to help them. Sure it is all propaganda, but play that on major networks for the next 60 days and then bring it back at midterms and the "Save Your Soul" Party might just be outta business for good.
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I agree. The right wing propagandist are playing with fire and I'm reasonably sure that I'm not exactly being prescient to say that were going to see those commercials in 2010 and 2012.
 
Onceler said:
It's hypocritical, and dishonest. Dishonest because the stimulus represents no major foray into "socialism." Hypocritical - and sorry if you don't like "they do it too," Damo - because so much of the last 5+ years was spent calling Democrats "traitors" for even a perception that they didn't want the war in Iraq to succeed.

Personally, I DID want the war to succeed. I wholly reject the notion that the U.S. should engage in pre-emptive wars, but that doesn't translate into me wanting soldiers to fail & die to prove my "point."

Can you imagine if prominent Democrats came out & said they wanted the war to fail, because success would mean a certain philosophy was the right one?
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Onceler, one of the many things I have learned about right wing nuts on message boards over the years, and this is the most important out of all of them: They are all about projection.

When you were saying that you didn't want us to fail in Iraq even though you were against going in, they didn't believe you. Because they could never have had those feelings. And they assume others feelings to be exactly as theirs are. So now they claim that "liberals prayed for Bush to fail for years" because that's what they believe. And they believe it because that's what they did during the Clinton years. And that's what they're doing again now. And that's what they always have done,a nd that's what they always will do, and they are congenitally incapable of grasping the possibility that not all hearts are as black as their own.

This is why I learned years ago to read what they write about me very closely; they are telling me about themselves. This has never failed me, and they have always gone on to prove it. Always.
 
Jarod said:
Now you are on a new argument. You are again playing word games here. In your example you limited successfull to "taking over Germany". Hitler was successfull.

Rush was clearly saying he hoped Obamas plans to "fix the economy" were not successfull. If you are successfull at fixing the economy you have done a good thing. Rush was not saying, I hope he is not successfull at passing this legislation, he was saying he hoped the plans to fix the economy that had already passed were not successfull, if those plans were socialism. Rush was hoping the economy does not get fixed.
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The reality is, the cure can be worse than the disease. Recognizing that somebody's success at what appears beneficent but you think will be detrimental is possible is, again, not the same thing as you present.
 
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