Irish Exit
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Was Iran Contra carried out on the books?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s $21 trillion mistake
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Was Iran Contra carried out on the books?
Old Trapper
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Same as with the VA, and you are OK with that. Of course, your lying hero signed into law a "new" VA healthcare package last June, and it has yet to be funded. So veterans are going without while the lying coward gets the best of care.
Adolf_Twitler
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OK! I agree, her quoting a 21 Trillion dollars lost is Bullshit!
I hate it when people exaggerate for political posturing- MOST ESPECIALLY WHEN A PRESIDENT DOES IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT! Thank You Very Much!
And yes, when a legislator does it too! Rookie mistake on her part! She is still an experiment, as far as I am concerned, for the Democrat party. And her comments have been duly noted.
But she will not be able to get by with that on the House Floor. So she better get exaggerations, and the drama surrounding them, out of her politics- if she wants to be influential on the floor.
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Old Trapper
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When you right wing useful idiots get over drooling all over yourselves in hat you think is an outstanding story, you might want to consider this from 2017:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlik...of-our-money-without-telling-us/#47b3c33a7aef
Then you might want to consider this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...r-plus-deficits-fiscal-ruin-column/986236002/
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Adolf_Twitler
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Dear liberal dunce; she is tweeting from ignorance. Maybe she should try to STFU until she has some facts? You should take that advice to. You don't need top prove you're a clueless idiot every damned day.
Hold your vile tongue Dilbert!
She used a bad analogy, to try and justify money for the NHS!
It would have been best if she had stuck to the script by pointing out the 2 trillion dollars that was added to the deficit immediately to pay for the tax-cuts for the rich, while knocking 20 million Americans off of their healthcare insurance, that the last Republican led Congress most recently passed.
That is fair game! That is the truth!
Things are bad enough- no exaggerations necessary! LOL!
fair enough.
She's the next generation -and with Pelosi on the way out she can be the next screwball
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
What the "government" gives you, it can also take away from you.
Sad thing, she’ll never rise to your level!
Adolf_Twitler
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I think the jury is still out on her!
She's younger than her pages! LOL! Like I said, she's an experiment. Give her a chance and let's see how she handles herself on the floor.
If she can't do the job, the Democrats and Republicans will laugh her all the way back to NYC! Much like we are doing Donald Trump! LOL!
"Giving her a chance?" nah. i'd rather tear her new a asshole like you guys did with trump.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
“$21 TRILLION of Pentagon financial transactions ‘could not be traced, documented, or explained.’ $21T in Pentagon accounting errors. Medicare for All costs ~$32T. That means 66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.”
— Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), in a tweet, Dec. 2, 2018
The Defense Department is awash with money. So much money that neither the staff nor 1,200 auditors could make sense of where it all went. (The Pentagon recently failed its first big audit in history.)
Enter Ocasio-Cortez. She supports expanding Medicare to people under 65, what’s known as single-payer or Medicare-for-all. But the big question is how to pay for all that health care. According to an estimate from the Urban Institute, the price tag on Sen. Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all proposal would be $32 trillion over 10 years.
Maybe the Pentagon has a few trillion dollars lying around somewhere, as Ocasio-Cortez implied? Let’s find out.
Ocasio-Cortez claimed on Twitter that $21 trillion in “Pentagon accounting errors” could have paid for 66 percent of the Medicare-for-all proposal. Her tweet references an article in the Nation, a left-leaning magazine. The specific line about the missing $21 trillion comes from research by Mark Skidmore, an economics professor at Michigan State University.
Skidmore has been tracking opaque federal budget moves for years. He tallied $21 trillion in unsupported accounting adjustments at the Pentagon from 1998 to 2015. The department’s comptroller says these are budgetary moves that “lack supporting documentation ... or are not tied to specific accounting transactions.”
In 2001, for example, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld testified to Congress that “we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.” For 2015, the Pentagon reported $6.5 trillion in “unsupported journal voucher adjustments.”
Skidmore contends that the Pentagon has competent personnel and is no more complex than a large multinational corporation, which makes the trillion-dollar accounting gaps all the more puzzling.
“The ongoing and repeated nature of the unsupported journal voucher adjustments coupled with the seemingly enormous size of the adjustments warrants the attention of both citizens and elected officials,” Skidmore wrote in a 2017 paper, adding later, “It should be feasible to track revenues flowing in and expenditures flowing out, and share this information in a format that can be understood by literate people.”
Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.
Skidmore’s paper clearly talks about Pentagon “assets” and “liabilities.” This key distinction was duly noted in the Nation article that Ocasio-Cortez referenced on Twitter.
To be clear, Skidmore, in a report coauthored with Catherine Austin Fitts, a former assistant secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development who complained about similar plugs in HUD financial statements, does not contend that all of this $21 trillion was secret or misused funding. And indeed, the plugs are found on both the positive and the negative sides of the ledger, thus potentially netting each other out. But the Pentagon’s bookkeeping is so obtuse, Skidmore and Fitts added, that it is impossible to trace the actual sources and destinations of the $21 trillion.
But it did not appear in her tweet, which clearly implied that the $21 trillion could have been used to pay for 66 percent of the $32 trillion in estimated Medicare-for-All costs.
“To clarify, this is to say that we only demand fiscal details [with health and education], rarely elsewhere,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a follow-up tweet.
“The point, I think, was more about how we care so little about the ‘how do you pay for it’ when we are talking about war and military spending,” her spokesman wrote in an email. “It’s only when we are talking about investing in the physical and economic well-being of our citizenry that we become concerned with the price tags.”
That’s not the argument coming through in her original tweet, which has been retweeted by nearly 25,000 users. Most people reading the tweet are likely to take its flawed comparison at face value.
It’s also worth pointing out that Skidmore’s total covers 17 years (1998 to 2015), whereas the Urban Institute’s $32 trillion estimate for Sanders’s Medicare plan covers 10 years. So the two numbers are not apples-to-apples to begin with.
After this fact check was published, Pentagon spokesman Christopher Sherwood said “DoD hasn’t received $21 trillion in (nominal) appropriated funding across the entirety of American history.”
“Money Congress appropriates for DoD stays at the Department of the Treasury until they make a payment on behalf of DoD,” he said. “Any funds that remain unspent at the end of the period of availability will remain at the Department of the Treasury and are no longer available to DoD at that point.”
The Pentagon is working to fix the accounting gaps, Sherwood added, "by reducing the labor needed to manually enter the Journal Vouchers and reducing the time it takes to perform research” for account reconciliation.
Let’s put $21 trillion in context. The entire national debt is $21.8 trillion. According to the Congressional Budget Office, total defense spending from 1998 to 2015 was nearly $9 trillion. The CBO estimates $7 trillion in defense spending from 2019 to 2028.
In other words, completely defunding the military for the next decade would yield only one-fifth of $32 trillion. That’s a much better way of illustrating the cost of Medicare-for-All.
Swing and a miss!
Ocasio-Cortez is not the first Twitter user to mangle information from a news report. But it’s unconvincing
to try to pass this off as a rhetorical point being misread. She cited the $21 trillion figure and said “66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.”
That’s a direct comparison. It’s badly flawed. The same article she referenced on Twitter would have set her straight. The tweet is still up, probably causing confusion. So we will award Four Pinocchios to Ocasio-Cortez.
She is an idiot but is emblematic of the lack of intelligence of the democrat party as a whole
On paper she is supposedly educated but she is not bright.
Adolf_Twitler
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LOL! Class! Class! Children! Contain yourselves!
No my daughter did not look in a dense urban area but in the countryside about 45 minutes outside Leipzig. I could start a thread about what her and her ehemann went through trying to buy a house. It was nothing less than a nightmare. They ended up having to pay 18,000 Euros just for getting a loan approved but could never get the bank to approve the two houses they were ready to buy. So they still live in a small two bedroom apartment with two kids, had to give up on the house of their dreams that they could afford and put a valid bid on that was accepted yet the bank said nein.
And that's where you want to live for their great health care system which is nothing special IMO. Do you know anything about their healthcare system or for that matter anything about living in Germany? I suspect not.
How long did you live there to give it strong consideration? My wife grew up there and despite her many complaints about America would still prefer to live here. I lived there for three yrs, speak the language and after about three weeks visiting the family can't wait to get back. Pretty much the same with my frau.
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Tranquillus in Exile
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This is what Trump said - not on the spur of the moment in a tweet but in a published newspaper interview:
"In fact the GDP since I’ve taken over has doubled and tripled"
http://freeamericanetwork.com/trump-inflates-gdp-growth
Probably not even Trump is fool enough to believe that GDP "doubled and tripled" under his rule, but that's what he said.
As to what he can more plausibly claim:
GDP increased 5.3% in his first two years (2018 estimated)
GDP increased 4.5 % in the previous two years.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543
I guess it takes a very pigsty genius ...
Naturlich. Das ist wie ich sowiel mehr gewusst habe als du.
Odd that in spending so much time there, you never figured out that nouns are capitalized.
Sirthinksalot
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But all the men she served drinks to, told her how "super smart" she is.
She's pretty. She doesn't need to be smart.
countryboy
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It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this lie, you are still a liar. Or, I suppose you really could be that stupid. If that's the case, I feel sorry for you.
countryboy
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It's nonsense anyways, they repeat this talking point ad nauseam. It's based on WHO estimates, which are based on intention, not outcome.