AGW and belief in God

Pablo Martinez said:
The two are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. There are those who view AGW as apocalyptic and a product of human sin. Others simply think there are enough naturally occurring phenomena to explain climate change (thermal cycles, solar cycles, the expanding universe, etc).
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natural phenomena and man made or assisted AGW are not mutually exclusive

but something is causing glaciers to melt, a higher ph of the oceans, a general rise in global temperatures major changes in flood/drought occurrences and a significant increase in the world CO2 level

but the expanding universe? not bloody likely
 
Don Quixote said:
natural phenomena and man made or assisted AGW are not mutually exclusive

but something is causing glaciers to melt, a higher ph of the oceans, a general rise in global temperatures major changes in flood/drought occurrences and a significant increase in the world CO2 level

but the expanding universe? not bloody likely
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I think you mean lower pH not higher, otherwise you are telling us that the oceans are becoming more alkaline.

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Milagro said:
I think you mean lower pH not higher, otherwise you are telling us that the oceans are becoming more alkaline.

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mea culpa, i got my ph backwards, you are correct more acidic and a lower ph

not by much, but it does not take much to screw up the oceans ecology, especially when it happens over a relatively short period of time - like a couple of centuries...then decades
 
Don Quixote said:
mea culpa, i got my ph backwards, you are correct more acidic and a lower ph

not by much, but it does not take much to screw up the oceans ecology, especially when it happens over a relatively short period of time - like a couple of centuries...then decades
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Like so much in the world of climatology, that is being vastly exaggerated as well. The acidity of the world's oceans has changed greatly over millennia yet those plucky little crustaceans and coral reefs seem to have soldiered on regardless. Ask yourself why that is?

I went diving on a coral reef yesterday in the Gulf of Thailand and it looked remarkably healthy to me!!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/04/how-gaia-and-coral-reefs-regulate-ocean-ph/

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" i got my ph backwards " DQ #63

No problemo. I think it's a logical mistake. The pH range used to referred to as acid / alkaline. Why they switched from "alkaline" to "base" I don't know.

BUT !!

a) They did.

b) On a numerical scale of 0 to 14, I consider it logical to assume the 0 to 7 portion of the range would be the base.

NOPE !!

No worries. Ocean acidification seems to be the trend (whatever the cause), resulting in such problems as reducing pH sensitive ecosystem inhabitants like coral.
 
Milagro said:
Like so much in the world of climatology, that is being vastly exaggerated as well. The acidity of the world's oceans has changed greatly over millennia yet those plucky little crustaceans and coral reefs seem to have soldiered on regardless. Ask yourself why that is?

I went diving on a coral reef yesterday in the Gulf of Thailand and it looked remarkably healthy to me!!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/04/how-gaia-and-coral-reefs-regulate-ocean-ph/

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life evolves at a slow rate and as such can survive climate and other changes. however, it does not do so well with major changes over a short period of time.
 
sear said:
" i got my ph backwards " DQ #63

No problemo. I think it's a logical mistake. The pH range used to referred to as acid / alkaline. Why they switched from "alkaline" to "base" I don't know.

BUT !!

a) They did.

b) On a numerical scale of 0 to 14, I consider it logical to assume the 0 to 7 portion of the range would be the base.

NOPE !!

No worries. Ocean acidification seems to be the trend (whatever the cause), resulting in such problems as reducing pH sensitive ecosystem inhabitants like coral.
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The unit pH measures hydrogen ions, pOH measures hydroxide ions.

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"The unit pH measures hydrogen ions" M #67

The designation is [p(otential of) h(ydrogen) *]

It's the reason in #65 I used upper case for the second letter, not the first.

It's not the only scientific designation using that format.

The decibel, symbol dB also capitalizes the 2nd letter not the first.
That's because this unit of loudness is the Bell, not the deci (relating to ten, as in the word decade, and decimate).

The problem is, even though dB is a logarithmic scale, the Bell is simply too loud as a practical unit in our daily experience; akin to measuring your pants size in light-years. Not practical.

So dB is our standard.

* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
 
Don Quixote said:
life evolves at a slow rate and as such can survive climate and other changes. however, it does not do so well with major changes over a short period of time.
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What rate? ... at what rate does life evolve? ... "slow" is subjective
 
sear said:
" I have a degree in chemistry" M #54

It helps explain you limited insight into police detective work.
Nothing wrong with that.

But even a chemistry degree doesn't justify an ejaculation like this: "What manner specious crap is this?" M #50

Just because it's outside your field of expertise does not automatically render it either "specious" or "crap". If you have a college degree, why is it necessary to explain that to you?
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He is lying.
He has an honorary degree in chemistry.
 
Milagro said:
Like so much in the world of climatology, that is being vastly exaggerated as well. The acidity of the world's oceans has changed greatly over millennia yet those plucky little crustaceans and coral reefs seem to have soldiered on regardless. Ask yourself why that is?

I went diving on a coral reef yesterday in the Gulf of Thailand and it looked remarkably healthy to me!!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/10/04/how-gaia-and-coral-reefs-regulate-ocean-ph/

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Anecdotal
 
"He is lying.
He has an honorary degree in chemistry." R #70

"Just to prove what a ginormous superating tit this man is, he is truly incapable of understanding what an honours degree is." M #72

You guys have GOT to take it on the road! That was HILARIOUS !!

LORL
 
Bill said:
:palm:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF
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Nicholas (Lord) Stern is a fucking idiot who was discredited many years back, except of course in the Guardian.

sear said:
"He is lying.
He has an honorary degree in chemistry." R #70

"Just to prove what a ginormous superating tit this man is, he is truly incapable of understanding what an honours degree is." M #72

You guys have GOT to take it on the road! That was HILARIOUS !!

LORL
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sear said:
"He is lying.
He has an honorary degree in chemistry." R #70

"Just to prove what a ginormous superating tit this man is, he is truly incapable of understanding what an honours degree is." M #72

You guys have GOT to take it on the road! That was HILARIOUS !!

LORL
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No he is lying again.
He has said multiple times he has an honorary degree.
 
Rune said:
Would a logical person choose not to believe in God?
If there is no God very nothing lost.
If there is a God enternal salvation.

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So belief in the triune God is a calculation you think the cloud guy of your understanding would not apprehend? I just did. Conflating it with science is a non sequitur.
 
Rune said:
No he is lying again.
He has said multiple times he has an honorary degree.
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No mate, you've said that many times but that's because you're an aging stoner with a pisspoor memory and severe burnout.

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"No he is lying again.
He has said multiple times he has an honorary degree." #77

I appreciate the insights both ways.

a) Might he have both?

b) Even if it's not a formal degree, it would be silly to lie, and actually have no training or knowledge at all in a subject one claims a degree in, because generally people don't like getting caught in a lie; not even liars.

c) It doesn't matter to me.
This isn't a job interview. I don't require minimum academic credentials.

This is a recreational current events board. What matters most to me is not who, what, or why about the poster, but the merit of their post:

- Is it interesting?

- Is it enlightening?

- Is it entertaining?

- Is it constructive?

- Is it poison-pill free (no gratuitous vulgarity or disparaging ad hom).

I'm not a Buddhist.
But The Buddha applied a standard that makes sense to me. And without attribute, psychologist Joy Browne applied a very similar standard.

"Believe nothing,
No matter where you read it,
Or who has said it,
Not even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense." Buddha

"Ideas are not for believing. Ideas are for using." psychologist Joy Browne

"... no man shall be blamed for reasoning in the maintenance of his own religion." Thomas More (1478 - July 6, 1535 @ age 57) NOTE: Canonized by the Roman Catholic church 1935; Saint More?

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787
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