Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

Bijou said:
And I see you're now attempting to spin yet another turd....


...feebly attempting (and failing miserably) to convince anyone dumb enough to believe it that you weren't posting a pic of Griggs to insinuate that by his appearance you were proving he couldn't possibly be racist.

Quit while you're behind, STY.
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i'm way ahead of you, idiot. especially when tards like you tell us that half mexicans are just white people. what does that make half black people?
 
Superfreak said:
when it comes to what I believe, it does kind of matter what I stated previously. If you think this is going to come down to social issues given the state of our economy and that of the world economy, you are delusional.
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Ahhh, but it's precisely because of the economy and world issues. Anyone who has ventured beyond their back yard know the economic problems are not unique to the US. Greece is not going under due to Obama's policies. Obama had nothing to do with the LIBOR rate scandal nor the near financial crisis that occurred before he took office. If he had involvement in anything it was involvement trying to save jobs/companies like GM.

Whether it's people facing the prospect of a company closing and losing their job along with medical insurance or young people struggling to pay tuition having no chance of purchasing a medical policy people realize social policies are vital in today's reality. This is not the time to vote for a government that lacks a sense of moral responsibility and social conscience.

Why do you think the Repubs want to pass off their responsibility to the individual claiming it's all about choice and all to an individual's benefit? Is it that they're not interested in people's tax dollars any more or is it because they realize the bill is coming due? Now, when people start to require social policies due to changes in society, from automation to jobs going overseas, realizing the increase in the numbers of people requiring those programs, the Repubs claim they aren't any good. Their motto is, "Let's get rid of them and design a better way. Let's convince the people they'll be better off before we're stuck helping them." That's the over-arching Repub plan whether it's called Plan Ryan, Plan Romney or Plan Ruin.

On that note it's siesta time. :)
 
This is not the time to vote for a government that lacks a sense of moral responsibility and social conscience.
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Exactly! That's why we can't vote for Democrats who will continue to ignore the problems with Medicare and Social Security while they pilfer their funding to pay for their health care debacle. Instead, we need to vote for the people who have proposed a sensible plan for saving Medicare and Social Security, and ensuring it will be around for generations to come.
 
Dixie said:
Exactly! That's why we can't vote for Democrats who will continue to ignore the problems with Medicare and Social Security while they pilfer their funding to pay for their health care debacle. Instead, we need to vote for the people who have proposed a sensible plan for saving Medicare and Social Security, and ensuring it will be around for generations to come.
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Every time you repeat this tripe I'm going to tell you the same thing.

Ryan's plan keeps the Affordable Care Act "cuts" to Medicare and thereafter caps Medicare spending at GDP+0.5%, just like the Affordable Care Act.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Every time you repeat this tripe I'm going to tell you the same thing.

Ryan's plan keeps the Affordable Care Act "cuts" to Medicare and thereafter caps Medicare spending at GDP+0.5%, just like the Affordable Care Act.
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Maybe you could (if you felt like it) explain what those "cuts" are because he seems to be laboring under a misconception (that he's been carefully lead to).
 
General Buck Turdhead said:
Every time you repeat this tripe I'm going to tell you the same thing.

Ryan's plan keeps the Affordable Care Act "cuts" to Medicare and thereafter caps Medicare spending at GDP+0.5%, just like the Affordable Care Act.
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No, the Ryan plan assumes that ACA cuts will remain as they are currently legislated to be, because that is current reality, and this is a reality-based plan.
 
Dixie said:
No, the Ryan plan assumes that ACA cuts will remain as they are currently legislated to be, because that is current reality, and this is a reality-based plan.
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(1) Ryan didn't have to assume those cuts would remain and was free to eliminate them.

(2) You concede that Romney's so-called "plan," which repeals those cuts, is not a reality-based plan. Awesome.
 
Haiku said:
Maybe you could (if you felt like it) explain what those "cuts" are because he seems to be laboring under a misconception (that he's been carefully lead to).
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Basically, the ACA slows the growth of Medicare spending by lowering payments to health care providers and eliminates (I believe) some Medicare Advantage spending.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
(1) Ryan didn't have to assume those cuts would remain and was free to eliminate them.

(2) You concede that Romney's so-called "plan," which repeals those cuts, is not a reality-based plan. Awesome.
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1) Yes, when crafting legislative proposals, you do indeed have to assume the current law will remain the same, unless you are proposing to change that. He was NOT "free to eliminate" budgetary items Congress had already voted on and passed, he doesn't have such authority in Congress.

2) We're not talking about Romney's plan to repeal Obamacare, if that happens, Ryan's plan becomes an even BETTER idea, because it includes those 'cuts' back into the kitty, so you are making a really odd circular-reasoned argument here.
 
Dixie said:
1) Yes, when crafting legislative proposals, you do indeed have to assume the current law will remain the same, unless you are proposing to change that. He was NOT "free to eliminate" budgetary items Congress had already voted on and passed, he doesn't have such authority in Congress.
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He was free to eliminate the portions of the Affordable Care Act that he didn't like. He kept the cuts and got rid of everything else.


Dixie said:
2) We're not talking about Romney's plan to repeal Obamacare, if that happens, Ryan's plan becomes an even BETTER idea, because it includes those 'cuts' back into the kitty, so you are making a really odd circular-reasoned argument here.
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You make no sense whatsoever. Ryan's plan becomes more expensive by $700 billion if the Affordable Care Act is repealed. How does increasing Medicare spending by $700 billion make the plan an even better idea if the whole purpose of the plan is to lower Medicare costs?
 
Dixie said:
http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/wydenryan.pdf

Here is what Ryan proposed, for those of you who are interested in THE FACTS and not THE RHETORIC!
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No, that isn't what Ryan proposed. That is what Paul Ryan and Ron Wyden jointly put out. What Ryan proposed, the House passed and Mitt Romney said he would sign if it crossed his desk as president was substantially different from that.

Your dishonesty is amazing. I mean, I've come to accept a certain level of dishonesty from Republicans, but this is just flat out lying.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
No, that isn't what Ryan proposed. That is what Paul Ryan and Ron Wyden jointly put out. What Ryan proposed, the House passed and Mitt Romney said he would sign if it crossed his desk as president was substantially different from that.

Your dishonesty is amazing. I mean, I've come to accept a certain level of dishonesty from Republicans, but this is just flat out lying.
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Yes that IS what Ryan proposed, along with Sen. Wyden in a bipartisan plan to reform Medicare. I am sorry if you were misinformed by your masters.
 
Dixie said:
Yes that IS what Ryan proposed, along with Sen. Wyden in a bipartisan plan to reform Medicare. I am sorry if you were misinformed by your masters.
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Ryan proposed something that the House passed and that Romney said he would sign as President. It was the 2013 Budget Resolution. What you are linking to is the Ryan-Wyden proposal that is quite a bit different from that.
 
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