ACLU - Billions of Dollars Wasted on Racially Biased Marijuana Arrests

blackascoal said:
Exactly.

Obama is a fraud from top to bottom.

Anyone looking to blame republicans for this is running from the truth.
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The politicians or parties are not the problem or the solution. It's the correct pubilic attitude that's needed to fix this problem. The public needs to be educated that the key to wining the war on drugs is to manage chemical dependency as a public health problem and not a criminal justice problem. The politicians are only going to do what the public wants or needs and the public, right now, believes the best solution to the illicit drug problem is the criminal justice system (or law enforcement). To change the paradigm we first need to change public perception about the problem.....and then....as the saying goes.....if you build it, they will come! That includes the politicians too.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Legalize is the wrong term. Decriminalize is probably a better term. In the public health paradigm those who commit a crime under the influence of that crime are still held accountable for their acts. The punishment can be mitigated if the person is willing to enter into the public health system and be treated for substance abuse. In a decriminalized system a person who is determined to get a specific drug (i.e. an addict) they can obtain the drug legally, but only if they enter the public health system where they have to recieve treatment and/or be monitored by public health professionals.

The paradigm here is to stop thinking of drug use as a crime but to think of it as an illness that requires treatment.

That approach is proving to be far more effective, both in terms of costs and reducing the numbers of people who have chemical dependecy problems, then the judicial/legal system is.
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Are we going to do the same for alcohol?

I am not sure what you are looking that proves forced treatment is more effective and you may be overlooking the "forced" part in considering the effectiveness of treatment.
 
Topspin said:
Not that you are just he biggest squar on the board but a douch nozzle as well!
Kids have easy access to pot now; moron.
Having a regulated industry would make it like cigs and beer. Less accessible
Fucking mini bike gang member
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Dude....I just spewed coffee all over my monitor!
 
I smoked Marijuana for many years, including the entire time I was stationed in Germany in the Army. I didn't have an illness any more than I did when I drank good german beer. Neither Marijuana nor cocaine are physiologically addictive, a small group of users develop psychological addictions to them. As for kids taking a seed and planting it in the ground to grow a plant; let'em. They will end up with some Shawnee County dirt weed that might give you a headache if you smoke enough of it. Anyone that has even smoked half way decent swag isn't going to be able to recreate that in their backyard. Marijuana cultivation is on par with being a chef or world class brewer. People will think it is cool they can grow their own till they discover they can't grow anything remotely as good as they smoke. (In general, Topper I am sure you can grow some pretty kine bud). But what the hell, lets keep it all illegal because that worked so well with booze. Before Prohibition, Al Capone was a small time thug, running numbers and protection rackets. Prohibition made him a millionaire and that's how he wound up in jail. Failure to pay taxes.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm sorry but I can't agree with your conclusion on those addicted. I mean you're half right but it is treating the addicted that is the key here. If you can prevent them from taking drungs or intervene to place them into treatment programs when they do become addicted is how you achieve the best results. That's not just from a compassionate stand point either. It's how you get the best results both in terms of improving public health, decreasing crime and saving a shit load of money.
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bullets aren't that expensive... quick double tap to the addicts... done
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There's not a whole lot of people that have the ability to make their own alcohol; but please tell me what's to stop people from growing their own mj and kids having access?
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Uhhhh....what's to stop people? I don't know if you been paying attention here Mary Ann but if you want to get some pot right now I can promise you that your average high school kid has better connections than you do. In other words.....what's stopping them now?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The politicians or parties are not the problem or the solution. It's the correct pubilic attitude that's needed to fix this problem. The public needs to be educated that the key to wining the war on drugs is to manage chemical dependency as a public health problem and not a criminal justice problem. The politicians are only going to do what the public wants or needs and the public, right now, believes the best solution to the illicit drug problem is the criminal justice system (or law enforcement). To change the paradigm we first need to change public perception about the problem.....and then....as the saying goes.....if you build it, they will come! That includes the politicians too.
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Public perception of marijuana has already changed.

Obama could end this madness with his pen.
 
tekkychick said:
While in general I agree with you - I do know people who make their own wine and beer; and certainly there are illegal stills out there.

In terms of growing pot - alas, my thumb isn't just non-green, it is known as "major-plant-killer" in certain groups; the Darth Vader of the plant killing world. So I will have to rely on the goodness of others to share their crops.

But certainly there are people much more adept than I growing their own pot currently; and who is to say their little tykes don't sometimes nip at the bud? We do tolerate parents deciding what's best for their young'uns up to the point where it's physically or mentally harmful (and, sad to say, sometimes beyond that point).
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What is it with women and their brown thumbs? Ya'll can do incredible things with plants and flowers to decorate a home....except keep the damned things alive!!

My father in-law is a farmer and you should see his vegetable garden. It's a thing of beauty. All the soil broken up and tilled to the size of 1/2" marbels, every row of plants neat and orderly and distributed according to the needs of the plant, it's green and verdunt and nurtured with fertilizer and water, etc, etc.

His daughter (my wife) on the other hand could kill a dandelion. Go figure?
 
I like the chef analogy!
Now than my gardening is befitting a marley, I may take a french cooking class.
Stay frosty kids
 
blackascoal said:
Public perception of marijuana has already changed.

Obama could end this madness with his pen.
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I seriously doubt that. You may be right in theory but you're dead wrong if you think he could just unilaterally do that an not pay steep, steep, steep political consequences.

Public perception may have changed in that for the first time a simple majority now believes pot should be legal. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a simple majority to make that happen so you're pollyannish if you think Obamma could do that at the stroke of a pen.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
I seriously doubt that. You may be right in theory but you're dead wrong if you think he could just unilaterally do that an not pay steep, steep, steep political consequences.
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To what end, he has a lifetime pension of 250,000 per and no more elections to win.
He could instantly have his biggest and easiest civil rights win.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
There's not a whole lot of people that have the ability to make their own alcohol; but please tell me what's to stop people from growing their own mj and kids having access?
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OOPS.
It looks like Topspin/The Dude has been knob gobbling; because he groaned my post and using his logic, he knew what it was code for.
 
From several of the answers on this topic, it's become apparent that people just want to have mj legalized decriminalized and if kids use it, Oh-well; because Hell, They're going to anyway. :palm:
 
Topspin said:
To what end, he has a lifetime pension of 250,000 per and no more elections to win.
He could instantly have his biggest and easiest civil rights win.
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If he did it with "a stroke of his pen" the next president could reverse it and probably the next president would be republican because even though a lot of people want to legalize it, there would be such an uproar that it would negatively impact the dem's candidate.

I would settle for having Pres. Obama stop sending feds after medical marijuana dispensaries. That has been disappointing, that they're still chasing after them.
 
tekkychick said:
If he did it with "a stroke of his pen" the next president could reverse it and probably the next president would be republican because even though a lot of people want to legalize it, there would be such an uproar that it would negatively impact the dem's candidate.

I would settle for having Pres. Obama stop sending feds after medical marijuana dispensaries. That has been disappointing, that they're still chasing after them.
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Ie: just ignore the law(s) and stop enforcing them. :palm:
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I seriously doubt that. You may be right in theory but you're dead wrong if you think he could just unilaterally do that an not pay steep, steep, steep political consequences.

Public perception may have changed in that for the first time a simple majority now believes pot should be legal. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a simple majority to make that happen so you're pollyannish if you think Obamma could do that at the stroke of a pen.
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Yeah, Obama would have major political hell t opay. He might throw away his third term.
 
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