Abraham Lincoln was a liberal. Here is what he said in 1854:

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If the Negro is a man, is it not to that extent, a total destruction of self-government, to say that he too shall not govern himself? When the white man governs himself that is self-government; but when he governs himself, and also governs another man, that is more than self-government — that is despotism …. No man is good enough to govern another man without that other’s consent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/cass-sunstein-why-liberal.html
 
Why I Am a Liberal

By Cass R. Sunstein, a law professor at Harvard

More than at any time since World War II, liberalism is under siege. On the left, some people insist that liberalism is exhausted and dying, and unable to handle the problems posed by entrenched inequalities, corporate power and environmental degradation. On the right, some people think that liberalism is responsible for the collapse of traditional values, rampant criminality, disrespect for authority and widespread immorality.

Fascists reject liberalism. So do populists who think that freedom is overrated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/cass-sunstein-why-liberal.html
 
He also said this in 1858


“There is a physical difference between the White and Black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”...Abraham Lincoln
 
source. You know the forum rules.

“There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together... while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...statesmen-on-race-are-accurate-idUSKBN2471YA/


I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.


Did u get that part?
 
“There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together... while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...statesmen-on-race-are-accurate-idUSKBN2471YA/


I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.


Did u get that part?

He was wrong.
 
He was wrong.

He also advocated sending blacks back to Africa and places like Haiti as he didn't think they could ever live in harmony with whites.

Lincoln wanted to end slavery—but wasn’t keen on integrating African Americans into US society. His first attempt to send them offshore proved disastrous.

On the night of December 31, 1862, a day before he issued the final Emancipation Proclamation to effectively end slavery in America, President Abraham Lincoln signed a contract with Bernard Kock, an entrepreneur and Florida cotton planter. Their agreement: to use federal funds to relocate 5,000 formerly enslaved people from the United States to Île à Vache (“Cow Island”), a small, 20-square-mile island off the southwestern coast of Haiti.

Since the early 1850s, Lincoln had been advancing colonization as a remedy for the gradual emancipation of the nation’s enslaved. While he strongly opposed the institution of slavery, he didn’t believe in racial equality, or that people of different races could successfully integrate. And unleashing nearly 4 million Black people into white American society—North or South—was a political nonstarter. So despite the fact that most Black Americans in the 1850s had been born on U.S. soil, Lincoln advocated shipping them to Central America, the Caribbean or “back” to Africa. “If as the friends of colonization hope…[we] succeed in freeing our land from the dangerous presence of slavery; and, at the same time, in restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land,” Lincoln said during his eulogy for statesman Henry Clay in 1852, “it will indeed be a glorious consummation.”

“Lincoln saw colonization as a practical solution to the millions freed by the Emancipation Proclamation,” wrote Jayme Ruth Spencer, a scholar of the Île à Vache effort. “Thus the proclamation would satisfy those who wished for emancipation of the Negro as well as those who feared that the freed slave would overrun the North.”

https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-black-resettlement-haiti
 
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HE WAS A RACIST.....AND A LIB AS U STATED

A racist who more than anyone else ended slavery and delivered black citizens into a free country, "free as the air".

These arguments about Lincoln and American liberalism, etc., are always the same exercises in foolishness. If conservatives would confront this simple question the threads might be more productive: What happened to cause Southern states to become Democratic in 1860 and from then on even "the solid" Democratic South until 100 or so years later but are now the "solid Republican South"?? Gotta admit it's a curious thing.

About Lincoln personally, he was raised a racist but his upbringing never rooted out of him his brilliant mind or deep sense of decency, and he was changed by what he saw as right. This is the biggest single reason we have one nation today instead of two.
 
He also advocated sending blacks back to Africa and places like Haiti as he didn't think they could ever live in harmony with whites.

Lincoln wanted to end slavery—but wasn’t keen on integrating African Americans into US society. His first attempt to send them offshore proved disastrous.

On the night of December 31, 1862, a day before he issued the final Emancipation Proclamation to effectively end slavery in America, President Abraham Lincoln signed a contract with Bernard Kock, an entrepreneur and Florida cotton planter. Their agreement: to use federal funds to relocate 5,000 formerly enslaved people from the United States to Île à Vache (“Cow Island”), a small, 20-square-mile island off the southwestern coast of Haiti.

Since the early 1850s, Lincoln had been advancing colonization as a remedy for the gradual emancipation of the nation’s enslaved. While he strongly opposed the institution of slavery, he didn’t believe in racial equality, or that people of different races could successfully integrate. And unleashing nearly 4 million Black people into white American society—North or South—was a political nonstarter. So despite the fact that most Black Americans in the 1850s had been born on U.S. soil, Lincoln advocated shipping them to Central America, the Caribbean or “back” to Africa. “If as the friends of colonization hope…[we] succeed in freeing our land from the dangerous presence of slavery; and, at the same time, in restoring a captive people to their long-lost father-land,” Lincoln said during his eulogy for statesman Henry Clay in 1852, “it will indeed be a glorious consummation.”

“Lincoln saw colonization as a practical solution to the millions freed by the Emancipation Proclamation,” wrote Jayme Ruth Spencer, a scholar of the Île à Vache effort. “Thus the proclamation would satisfy those who wished for emancipation of the Negro as well as those who feared that the freed slave would overrun the North.”

https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-black-resettlement-haiti

Notice how the leftist loonys won't go near this!!
 
Why do you seem to delight in being as obtuse as possible? It's all a sport for you, do you get paid much for your hackery?

If you were able to post something intelligent, and did, you wouldn't be here with name calling as your one and only debate weapon.
 
It was enough that America in 1860 was able to elect a president who had a history of detesting slavery, and was determined to stop it's spread.

That in itself was a pivotal historical turning point.

Lincoln's Views on Slavery

Lincoln always detested slavery but never took any serious public stance on the slavery issue before the 1850s. It was inconceivable to Lincoln that slave labor could ever effectively compete with the labor of free men, and he expected that it would naturally die out on its own.

But far from fading away, American slavery had been undergoing a tremendous revolution in profitability, based largely on slavery’s chief commodity, cotton, in the Southern states of the Union. Slavery sought expansion first in 1819, and the outrage that resulted was quieted only by the Missouri Compromise. Conflict arose again over the admission of Texas in 1845 and the Mexican Cession in 1848, which were quieted by the Compromise of 1850.

But in 1854, Illinois Senator Stephen A. Douglas triggered the most lethal round of controversy by junking the Missouri Compromise through the Kansas-Nebraska Act and opening the western territories to slave expansion through the doctrine of popular sovereignty. Kansas-Nebraska impelled Lincoln to reenter Politics in opposition to slave extension into the territories.



Source credit:. Professor Allen Guelzo, Gettysburg College
 
If you were able to post something intelligent, and did, you wouldn't be here with name calling as your one and only debate weapon.

I posted Lincoln's thoughts on repatriation, I actually can't believe that you are not aware of this but apparently it's true no nonetheless.
 
It was enough that America in 1860 was able to elect a president who had a history of detesting slavery, and was determined to stop it's spread. <br>
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That in itself was a pivotal historical turning point.

He wanted them all deported, soi boy. He considered blacks to be inferior to whites and wanted them gone.
 
If the Negro is a man, is it not to that extent, a total destruction of self-government, to say that he too shall not govern himself? When the white man governs himself that is self-government; but when he governs himself, and also governs another man, that is more than self-government — that is despotism …. No man is good enough to govern another man without that other’s consent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/cass-sunstein-why-liberal.html

Of course he leaned left, they weren’t called the Radical Republicans because they were conservative
 
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