about that reverse discrimination thing

[blackascoal]

It's sad you think racial discrimination is a great tool of justice. Please re-assess your moral standards. Thanks.

I'm quite comfortable with my moral standards.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Damocles]

I agree that balance is good... just so long as we don't cut off a leg and proclaim it was done for balance. Obviously we see things from different perspectives. Being the single white guy, I am not as exposed to the intolerance to the extent that you are. From the viewpoint of where I live, Colorado is pretty open minded relative to what you describe in MI and what I perceive from the South to a large degree.

Having not served in the military, I would be curious... is it more reflective of the whole because they fought to end racist practices which made it more welcoming or because they tried to force it to be more reflective? Just asking, I do not know. A good question for the other posters on here that have served or perhaps for your daughter as well given that she may have a fresh perspective.

It's not very reflective. There are far more minorities in the military than in any other area of society. The percentages are way off wack.

If you want to see a place where there are no asians, mexicans, etc... Check into the NSA. The only people I saw there were either African American or European Americans... It was bizarre and took some getting used to. I had to fit it in somehow with the military's far more open view of such things.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I'm quite comfortable with my moral standards.

Thanks anyway.

ew. That's unfortunate.

 

[DamnYankee]

As usual, you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about.

You deny that fatherless families is the cause of black economic and social inequity? Apparently it is you who has no clue of what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

We are never going to agree on this issue.

Why would I want to be a fire-fighter in a department that has all white guys in leadership?

Why should the community respect any department that has even the appearance of discrimination?

There are more questions to this issue than qualifications on paper.

We are never going to agree on this issue even though I understand your argument on this specific point of quotas.

because the only way you change that leadership picture is to have black firefighters work their way up the system.

A good example is in the NFL... when they first started trying to have black head coaches to make it more reflective..... it took longer than they wanted as there weren't enough black head coaches in college or black O/D coordinators to step up. So they had to make an effort to start hiring black coaches in other positions, got them the experience and then worked them to the point that they were qualified to take over the helm. The end result.... you get great friggin coaches like Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin.

Another good example is the one you provided.... the military. Slowly but surely they changed the atmosphere, they slowly started knocking out the racist bullshit... in part due to a top down effort... in part due to people like Brashear refusing to be denied.

Again, I do see your side of this as well. Like you said, it is not likely that we are ever going to agree completely on this... but we are not too far apart. I appreciate your sharing your views on this. It always helps to hear things from a polar perspective.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Interesting the quality of conversation people can have once they get beyond the rancor .. which I have been guilty of on this issue, and for which I apologize.

The military overcame it's racist past by actively and aggressively working to change it by not only eliminating racist practices, but also by reaching out to minorities and ensuring the integrity of their image.

I think I may understand your perspective better now by just knowing you're from Colorado. I give much kudos to Colorado and the people there as they have shown themselves to be one of the most progressive places in the country in regards to race relations. I remember when Rice was the mayor of Denver even though the black population in Denver is relatively small.

It's also my understanding the the leaders of the state House and Senate are both black.

I believe that Denver might well be OK with a majority black police force.

I think the typical reaction to finding out would be a shrug of the shoulders and a "and your POINT?" I think many just wouldn't give a shit that your ancestors pigmentation adapted to a different environment than someone else's.