about that reverse discrimination thing

uscitizen said:
Dumbass! The only race we need to win is the human race.
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But there are actually many races. They are listed on your job applications, and official forms. They are used to decide if you should be allowed to succeed, according to some theory based on justice through discrimination.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But there are actually many races. They are listed on your job applications, and official forms. They are used to decide if you should be allowed to succeed, according to some theory based on justice through discrimination.
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whats even sadder is the obvious denigration it gives to people of the white variety. look at the choices usually given

1) African American
2) Native American
3) Hispanic American
4) Pacific Islander
5) Asian American
6) Caucasian
Not White AMERICAN, just caucasian.

See the discrimination? We're not even American anymore.
 
European Americans are being triangulated as the main victim of the New World Order. In the new mentality of scarcity propagated by the green movement, we start proposing to ourselves the question: Who should die? Obviously, white people. In the mindset of the near future, the two fold purpose of undoing humanities wrongs and saving the planet will be achieved by killing whitey.

Kill the White People!
 
AssHatZombie said:
European Americans are being triangulated as the main victim of the New World Order. In the new mentality of scarcity propagated by the green movement, we start proposing to ourselves the question: Who should die? Obviously, white people. In the mindset of the near future, the two fold purpose of undoing humanities wrongs and saving the planet will be achieved by killing whitey.

Kill the White People!
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But Europeans have the lowest birthrate on the planet. So by this logic the greenies should kill Mexicans and Africans. Perhaps you have their agenda wrong.
 
Southern Man said:
But Europeans have the lowest birthrate on the planet. So by this logic the greenies should kill Mexicans and Africans. Perhaps you have their agenda wrong.
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Nope. American whites have these notions of "how they should be treated" and "freedoms" etc. The other two groups, sadly, have already been subjugated and will even become willing conspirators to totalitarianism if it can become a tool against whitey. This is the insidious allure of identity politics. I think i understand their agenda fully.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
to this day, i've never heard a white man cry racism because a black man got drafted and the white man didn't but I sure have heard a few of the opposite.
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Son, you know what? Your my kinda feller. I have to agree with ya as I never onced heard a white boy cryin "Racism" at the draft board. In fact most of the ones I seed was crying "Momma!".

So I knowed what you mean. It's kinda like playing the Blues. I never seed a white feller play the blues. I only seen em give the blues.

Buttz out.
 
uscitizen said:
Dumbass! The only race we need to win is the human race.
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Son, come on now, you can't possibly believe we can win the human race with fellers like Mr. MoLoIQ and that Waterhead fella on our team? I mean who we gonna be competin again with them on board? Tree Stumps? A cotton patch?

Just take it from Earl, the human race is a few yards shy of a full lap and I wouldn't bet my last 5 dollars on em.

Buttz out!
 
blackascoal said:
You mean like when blacks kicked down the doors of discrimination to professional sports?

Are blacks having a hard time competing on a level playing field there .. or are you?

Often, when the field ain't (eb) level, we just create our own.
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Society benefits most by having the most qualified get the job, especially with the people who are going to come to try to save your life.
 
Superfreak said:
True, but his point is also valid in that the 'white people whining' was back in the 1960's. How many white athletes today bitch and moan that there should be more white men in the NFL so that the NFL more accurately reflects the population of the US?
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I haven't heard anybody make that argument. How 'bout the NBA?
 
Damocles said:
Society benefits most by having the most qualified get the job, especially with the people who are going to come to try to save your life.
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Are you aware of any lack or denigration of service related to New Haven's attempt to make the Fire Department reflective of it's community?

If so, I'd like to hear them because I've heard your argument lots of times throughout history.

Like when they began to allow women to be police officers and fire fighters. Look out for denigration in those depratments .. which never happened.

Or whenever African-Americans were allowed to do anything .. look out for denigration. Integration = Denigration .. that never happened.

You make a valid point about the capacity to perform, but I've serached for indicators that the quality of service in New Haven has declined and I couldn't find any .. which would of course have been the first argument those who oppose the policy would have used if it was a valid argument.

... just my perspective brother.
 
Damocles said:
I haven't heard anybody make that argument. How 'bout the NBA?
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You both make false arguments here.

How many black people do you hear "whining" that there should be more blacks in the NHL? That there should be more black hockey players?

The difference you both ignore is that blacks were barred from the NFL and the NBA .. white guys were not. As long as they had the ability to play, they played.

The reason you don't hear blacks whining about the NHL is because we don't play hockey at that level. In fact, we aren't very good at any sport that is played on ice or in the cold .. "Cool Runnings" not withstanding.

The reason you don't hear white guys whining about the NBA is because they don't play at that level .. something that doesn't seem to bother the europeans.

Obvioulsly, given the makeup of sports like basketball today for instance, there was indeed and in fact a racial impediment to who got to play the sport. No such impediment has ever existed for white men.
 
blackascoal said:
Are you aware of any lack or denigration of service related to New Haven's attempt to make the Fire Department reflective of it's community?

If so, I'd like to hear them because I've heard your argument lots of times throughout history.

Like when they began to allow women to be police officers and fire fighters. Look out for denigration in those depratments .. which never happened.

Or whenever African-Americans were allowed to do anything .. look out for denigration. Integration = Denigration .. that never happened.

You make a valid point about the capacity to perform, but I've serached for indicators that the quality of service in New Haven has declined and I couldn't find any .. which would of course have been the first argument those who oppose the policy would have used if it was a valid argument.

... just my perspective brother.
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You cannot maintain a "no proof of denigration" argument when they simply didn't hire a whole group of qualified candidates. Nobody can show what the fire department would be like if the most qualified always got the job. You couldn't prove what level of improvement there may have been as opposed to what level there was. Nobody has that kind of scrying stone.
 
blackascoal said:
Are you aware of any lack or denigration of service related to New Haven's attempt to make the Fire Department reflective of it's community?

If so, I'd like to hear them because I've heard your argument lots of times throughout history.

Like when they began to allow women to be police officers and fire fighters. Look out for denigration in those depratments .. which never happened.

Or whenever African-Americans were allowed to do anything .. look out for denigration. Integration = Denigration .. that never happened.

You make a valid point about the capacity to perform, but I've serached for indicators that the quality of service in New Haven has declined and I couldn't find any .. which would of course have been the first argument those who oppose the policy would have used if it was a valid argument.

... just my perspective brother.
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This very story shows that they are tossing out test scores (which they previously had used to qualify advancements) because not enough of the black firefighters were ready to be promoted (based on scores).

Again, if you have two equally qualified individuals and you choose to give the nod to a 'minority' or woman due to the past in this country.... I'll support that all day long. But when a quota system comes into place or when someone says 'it needs to reflect the community'... that bullshit has to stop.
 
blackascoal said:
You both make false arguments here.

How many black people do you hear "whining" that there should be more blacks in the NHL? That there should be more black hockey players?

The difference you both ignore is that blacks were barred from the NFL and the NBA .. white guys were not. As long as they had the ability to play, they played.

The reason you don't hear blacks whining about the NHL is because we don't play hockey at that level. In fact, we aren't very good at any sport that is played on ice or in the cold .. "Cool Runnings" not withstanding.

The reason you don't hear white guys whining about the NBA is because they don't play at that level .. something that doesn't seem to bother the europeans.

Obvioulsly, given the makeup of sports like basketball today for instance, there was indeed and in fact a racial impediment to who got to play the sport. No such impediment has ever existed for white men.
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LMAO... it is not a false argument brother.... IT IS THE FRIGGIN POINT....

You dont hear white guys complain because it would denigrate the sport to accept lower quality players simply to make some quota that reflects the make up of our country's pigmentation differences.

Which is the whole point on the firefighters. If they are qualified AND still not getting promotions, that is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. But if you have a situation like this one where those qualified for promotions are tossed aside because their pigmentation make up wasn't 'suitable'..... that is bullshit.
 
Damocles said:
You cannot maintain a "no proof of denigration" argument when they simply didn't hire a whole group of qualified candidates. Nobody can show what the fire department would be like if the most qualified always got the job. You couldn't prove what level of improvement there may have been as opposed to what level there was. Nobody has that kind of scrying stone.
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Then as I've said, it's not an argument.

If no one can qualify or quantify any denigration of services, there's no argument .. which means, that they are indeed hiring candidates who are qualified to do the job.
 
blackascoal said:
Then as I've said, it's not an argument.

If no one can qualify or quantify any denigration of services, there's no argument .. which means, that they are indeed hiring candidates who are qualified to do the job.
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Again, rubbish. 15 very qualified people can show that solely for the absence of pigmentation their qualifications were rejected. Rejecting qualifications because of pigmentation is unjustified.

If you give a nod to darker pigmentation between to two equally qualified people then nobody complains, when you reject the qualified because they lack or have pigmentation they do, and IMO correctly.
 
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